<p>The plot thickens:</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/10/03/foley.scandal/index.html[/url]”>http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/10/03/foley.scandal/index.html</a></p>
<p>“Former Rep. Mark Foley allegedly had Internet sex with a former page before going to a vote on the House floor in 2003, ABC News reported Tuesday.” The rest is too icky to quote.</p>
<p>Really shouldn’t we be waiting to see who knew when and what steps were taken to handle the situation? We all agree what the guy did was terrible. </p>
<p>What it’s going to come down to is why or why not was it dealt with. </p>
<p>Just as it is coming out about 9/11… knowing, and not doing has it’s own set of punishment to be doled out.</p>
<p>“And when you can come up with some reliable reporting of heterosexual men being beaten up by gay guys just for being “straight” we can talk about evil, OK?”</p>
<p>That is a purely irrational and irrelevant response.</p>
<p>Why are we even having this discussion, kluge? It sounds to me that you are saying that if only gay guys could marry 16 year old boys then everything would be hunky-dory. Is the fact that gay marriage is not legal your main concern? </p>
<p>Plenty of groups are pushing for legalization of sex between men and boys, NAMBLA foremost among them; maybe you could send a donation. </p>
<p>I seriously can’t follow your line of thinking.</p>
<p>Opie, my fishin’ buddy:
There is something about angling that just leads to good, thoughtful common sense. I said the same thing, oh, 320 or so posts ago. <a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showpost.php?p=3011470&postcount=203[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showpost.php?p=3011470&postcount=203</a></p>
<p>That is a strawman HH. 16 year old girls can’t legally marry in most states either. I am not for legitimizing teenagers of either gender to marry men or women, of either the same or opposite gender. </p>
<p>The point isn’t whether men and boys in NAMBLA should be able to legally have sex. Men and girls can’t legally have sex: it’s called statuatory rape. There is a reason for said laws. </p>
<p>So, stick to the point here, which is that more predators are heterosexual than homosexual. I concur that there ARE homosexual predators, but they aren’t the predominant numbers.</p>
<p>I haven’t read every post, and I couldn’t pull up the timeline, but it just seems strange to me that 2003 emails/IMs are just now surfacing. Who would keep something like that for 3 years and then right before an election bring them forward? </p>
<p>I just heard on the news that Foley was molested by a clergyman when he was 13.</p>
<p>The party of family values has a party!</p>
<p>Love the pic…</p>
<p><a href=“HuffPost - Breaking News, U.S. and World News | HuffPost”>HuffPost - Breaking News, U.S. and World News | HuffPost;
<p>(Getting Mr. Sleaze, Foley, and the Mullah Omar lover in the same picture is quite an unexpected delight.)</p>
<p>“I just heard on the news that Foley was molested by a clergyman when he was 13.”</p>
<p>Which party? ;)</p>
<p>If Foley was molested when he was young, that (unfortunately) wouldn’t be at all surprising. </p>
<p>Consider, for example: “According to a study done by Dr. Nicholas Groth, at least 80% of sexual offenders were sexually abused or exposed to sexual abuse of other family members when they were children.”</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.rapecrisisbv.org/protecting_children.htm[/url]”>http://www.rapecrisisbv.org/protecting_children.htm</a></p>
<p>
– Hereshoping has my candidate for the self-evident truth of the day (preceded by a load of obnoxious nonsense.)</p>
<p>Yes, as Allmusic states, the point is that you and others are claiming that
</p>
<p>So I did look it up, using the study you had referred to earlier, and did not find support for your assertion. What I found was what I had heard before: most solicitation of sex with minors is performed by adult males to teenage females. And a large portion of the same sex solicitation among males is initiated by adult males who self-identify as heterosexual. And a portion of the heterosexual sexual activity between adults and teens isn’t even counted because it is either legal or winked at. </p>
<p>All of which tends to refute your claim. Because it all means that there’s more solicitation of minors by heterosexuals than is reported, and a significant amount of the same sex solicitation which does occur among males is initiated by men who are not self-identified as gay, so the percentage of the population which does so self-identify is not a valid component of the calculation. </p>
<p>That’s my thinking. Follow it now?</p>
<p>"Opie, my fishin’ buddy:
There is something about angling that just leads to good, thoughtful common sense. I said the same thing, oh, 320 or so posts ago. "</p>
<p>Yea, I know. Side arguements take over these things from time to time. I try to look at the possibilities behind this situation and will wait a bit more. I’m more concerned about who knew and how did they choose to deal with it? Those choices may have been at the time convienent, but as often is the case a small fire becomes a larger one the more stuff you cover it with. </p>
<p>I agree with zoozermom that the gop didn’t want this coming out as they would be accused of alot of things.</p>
<p>However, putting it off, just adds to the problems that will be yelled about. This applies to both sides. Sometimes it is better to just take your lumps and be done with it. In these situations through history the “hidden” story comes out and usually surpasses the original story as the issue. I think it will again in this case.</p>
<p>AM: kluge brought up the 16 year old marriage example…please read carefully! Tell him why it’s not relevant, please.</p>
<p>Other than that, we disagree about the numbers. Frankly, it doesn’t really matter, does it, because we all agree (I think) that an adult soliciting/grooming/having sex with a 16 year old, whether of the same sex or not, is wrong.</p>
<p>Yeah, we all agree about that. So let’s stick to that, OK? I think that’s where we started…</p>
<p>Oh, I guess you did not call me “obnoxious” either, just as you did not call me hysterical or homophobic. 
“So let’s stick to that, OK?” - YES, SIR !!! Whatever you say, SIR !!!</p>
<p>Anyone want to talk about CREW and the website(s) that have known about the IMs since July?</p>
<p>“Molested by a priest”? Out come the excuses.</p>
<p>“Naughty messages” said Tony Snow. Does he have kids?</p>
<p>“Conspiracy say some.” What? Did Nancy Pelosi slip him a roofie?</p>
<p>Snow has three dogs, a cat, and three guinea pigs.</p>
<p>And some soon to be snow white hair.</p>
<p>Could those who use “quotes” from previous posts also use the post #, this would be a great help for those who do not want to scroll through every posting , if its’not’toomuch.</p>
<p>Hereshoping, when I debunked your claim that soliciting sex with minors was “more common” among gays than among heterosexuals by addressing the actual statistical facts, you responded with:
That is an obnoxious response to my posts. I’ll stand by that assessment. If you feel otherwise that’s a matter of your sense of propriety and fairness, I guess.</p>
<p>Yes, you debunked it, kluge. Did I miss the link? The name of the study? Specifically dealing with gay adult-adolescent sex?</p>
<p>I still don’t get what the 16 year old girl marrying a creepy old guy has to do with anything; granted, I’m dense. Please explain.</p>