<p>Your title asks “doing the right thing?” Apparently unless we all agree with you, we are not going to be responding on this thread the “right way”.</p>
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<p>That’s “funny”, we’re all “wondering” the same thing about “you”. </p>
<p>So, how about that “traffic” down around UCLA?</p>
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<p>Biology has relatively poor job and career prospects at the bachelor’s degree level. You should realize that “STEM” is not uniform in job and career prospects. Also, biology is not necessarily “easy” – it has a reputation of having a lot of time consuming lab courses, as well as cutthroat pre-meds in many courses.</p>
<p>For example, here is the career survey data for Molecular and Cell Biology and Integrative Biology majors at Berkeley (Molecular and Cell Biology is the most popular major, and Integrative Biology is also large):</p>
<p><a href=“https://career.berkeley.edu/Major/MCB.stm[/url]”>https://career.berkeley.edu/Major/MCB.stm</a>
<a href=“https://career.berkeley.edu/Major/IntBio.stm[/url]”>https://career.berkeley.edu/Major/IntBio.stm</a></p>
<p>Compare to several social studies type majors:</p>
<p><a href=“https://career.berkeley.edu/Major/AmerStud.stm[/url]”>https://career.berkeley.edu/Major/AmerStud.stm</a>
<a href=“https://career.berkeley.edu/Major/EthnicStud.stm[/url]”>https://career.berkeley.edu/Major/EthnicStud.stm</a>
<a href=“https://career.berkeley.edu/Major/Hist.stm[/url]”>https://career.berkeley.edu/Major/Hist.stm</a>
<a href=“https://career.berkeley.edu/Major/InterStud.stm[/url]”>https://career.berkeley.edu/Major/InterStud.stm</a>
<a href=“https://career.berkeley.edu/Major/MassComm.stm[/url]”>https://career.berkeley.edu/Major/MassComm.stm</a>
<a href=“https://career.berkeley.edu/Major/PolSci.stm[/url]”>https://career.berkeley.edu/Major/PolSci.stm</a></p>
<p>Gender and Women’s Studies does not have sufficient data due to the low number of students majoring in it. The only data available is for 2003-2006 (but a very small sample size) (with comparison to Molecular and Cell Biology and Integrative Biology for the same years):</p>
<p><a href=“https://career.berkeley.edu/Major2006/WomenStud.stm[/url]”>https://career.berkeley.edu/Major2006/WomenStud.stm</a>
<a href=“https://career.berkeley.edu/Major2006/MCB.stm[/url]”>https://career.berkeley.edu/Major2006/MCB.stm</a>
<a href=“https://career.berkeley.edu/Major2006/IntBio.stm[/url]”>https://career.berkeley.edu/Major2006/IntBio.stm</a></p>
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<p>I did address your original post. I thought that 20-25 hours was too harsh and 15 hours was more reasonable and would give her time to read the liberal books and write the liberal papers that she needs for her liberal major in order for her to get the critical thinking skills that you’re paying for. </p>
<p>You didn’t really want advice from a liberal though did you.</p>
<p>allgussiedup, I agree with you to the t! If i were in your position I would push her to study a STEM field. However, to use an analogy, even though both parents have blue eyes, the child’s may be brown. She may not be gifted in the technical areas despite the genetic dispositions your family has. I am about the age of your son and studying computer science. I have comrades that majored in the dime a dozen majors such as political science and comparative literature. They still found mediocre jobs in business, teaching, and social work (*cringes). I would recommend pushing her to couple her hobby-type interests with a solid degree, such as business, nursing, or other vocational oriented field. It doesn’t necessarily have to be STEM but neither should it waste your husbands salary.</p>
<h1>43 by ucb, its quite informative data — didn’t know the social science majors starting salary is above that of bio majors.</h1>
<p>I do not have any direct input for OP, but just an observation. when I read the OP’s post I did not see it as ‘■■■■■’ but a sincere question. When Pizzagirl came out and declared its ‘■■■■■’ I was both impressed by this exercise of ‘free speech’ and dismayed by this rude statement which I thought amounts to cyberbullying, very rude. Pizzagirl is supposed to be a mom of a few college kids, at least one of her children went to Harvard. I think you can behave more civil than that. Some of you should watch Anderson Cooper’s special on school bullying (you probably can find the video record of entire episode on CNN website) and what kind of hell the kids go through everyday at school because of these bullies. Bully kids come from bully parents or those parents don’t care. I think some comments here are frankly bullies. I wish a Gran Torino’s eastwood come out and wipe out these bullies. </p>
<p>I think there are those who have mostly STEM backgrounds and have such a view, especially the first generation immigrants who first came to this country as STEM students, employed in the field, settled down and raised family. Especially for these folks, their survival instinct can lead their children in that direction too.</p>
<p>"But she should have some idea. She should be able to say, I want to go to law school, I want to work for the government, a nonprofit, etc. "</p>
<p>Oh really? REALLY? A 17 year old SHOULD KNOW NOW what they do or dont want to major in? or what kind of job they want? Before she so much as steps foot on a college campus??? And how, pray tell, would she know at this point in her young life?</p>
<p>"Son went in not knowing exactly what field of engineering he wanted to do but quickly decided. "</p>
<p>Oh, I see. DS, the favorite, who chose a career like Mummy’s and Daddy’s, is who you are using as the comparison to your D, who has no interest in those areas. Right…</p>
<p>"Undeclared gives her too much opportunity to just play around with random classes, wasting time and money. "</p>
<p>unbelievable…
you either are a ■■■■■, or even more frightening, a control freak parent who cant see that your own D has HUNDREDS of other majors to choose from-but who wants to punish her for not telling you what YOU want to hear…</p>
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<p>I am the parent of two college freshmen, but no, neither of my children applied to or went to Harvard (or any Ivy League school for that matter) - and I have never even suggested or hinted anything to the contrary. I’m not sure where you got that information from, but I’m afraid that you are mistaken.</p>
<p>And yes, we all get that first-generation immigrants all seem to think that the world rises and sets on STEM. And? Many of us think differently and the great thing about America is that we can say so.</p>
<p>There have been SO many STEM-triumphalist threads recently that this one smelled like a ■■■■■.</p>
<p>If this was a ■■■■■ post then she would have had D minoring in Dance to go along with the Women’s Studies major!</p>
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I am very receptive to new advice - what i do NOT want is people calling me names and questioning my parenting skills. </p>
<p>A big “THANK YOU” to all who actually bothered to read my question. The rest of you need to take reading comprehension classes. </p>
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Please refrain from comments like these. YOU are the one that turned this into a political thread</p>
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this is EXACTLY what we want. We understand that engineering may not be her “nitch” - but we want her to be secure and financially independent once she wraps up her undergrad career. Which is another thing - even if she decided to pursue being an academic in her field she would have to take on MANY more years of schooling - a.k.a dependence on us or on a spouse/signif. other.</p>
<p>Which is another thing - even if she decided to pursue being an academic in her field she would have to take on MANY more years of schooling - a.k.a dependence on us or on a spouse/signif. other.</p>
<p>How do you figure?</p>
<p>Who cares if the person is a ■■■■■ or not? If you don’t like them, don’t respond. It is hard to believe some of you claim to be professors with Phd’s.</p>
<p>Talk about a mob mentality.</p>
<p>^ Because it wastes everyone’s time. No one likes being lied to or conned. A lot of folks on this thread I would call friends, people who have gone out of their way to help a lot of people with real problems or struggles. Who wants to see decent people being sucked in by a liar? Just because you LIKE what the ■■■■■ wrote, doesn’t make it okay to be a ■■■■■. </p>
<p>I could just not respond but then I"m someone who will also call someone out when they litter, or yell at the service staff, or act like a jerk…I call it being a good citizen. I don’t just turn away and say none of my business. </p>
<p>Who wants to argue with a bunch of 18 year olds pretending to be adults, making poor arguments and baiting with stupid commentary? It’s actually why I sometimes stop coming to CC…just get tired of the nonsense. If I was running cc: I would have a button that if enough people pushed it, ■■■■■ threads would be deleted (like the spam button on craigslist, lol). I’ve actually read a lot of good arguments on either side of this debate…but this ■■■■■ is just doing it for kicks so they aren’t even good at defending the viewpoint they are espousing.</p>
<p>Wow, there are so many ‘freedom activists’ for other people’s children. I think the OP is a much better parent, at least in my opinion, than many of you. Many college children can use parental inputs and guidance. If you have too many choices or if the kid doesnt really know what major or interest s/he has, then nothing wrong with parents getting involved and setting the course for them. one of my my kids initially wanted to do psychology, but then he discovered that it was too hard for him and then he thought about finance, but eventually ended up with biology. very often, kids have no idea what s/he is interested in or what major. i do not see any problem in op’s post when she wants her kid to go STEM major, what is wrong with that? If my kids goal was to get employed right after college i would’ve done the same. you function as a human being with limited experience and knowledge, even as a parent. we have though one common goal in that we want the kids to be happy, successful and financially well off after the college or professional education. how you think your kids can get there can be based on your very limited experience and this is not wrong like you self-righteous folks make out to be.</p>
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Here’s my suggestion: your husband should be less mechanical and you should be more civil–that way, you’d be more likely to respect your (probably mythical) daughter’s uniqueness, and also be more receptive to advice.</p>
<p>As with the other similar thread, I don’t really believe in the OP’s story–but there really are families that have this attitude. But it’s usually the kid who is looking for advice on how to escape the stranglehold.</p>
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Hey you can only control yourself. Don’t read and don’t respond.</p>
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<p>Speaker: JK Rowling </p>
<p>Parents don’t want their children to end up living in poverty. I get it. But sometimes parents steer kids in the wrong direction in their zeal to keep them safe.</p>
<p>I’m glad I jumped from the first to the last page and got to see Hunt’s response without wasting a lot of my time. He makes me laugh.</p>
<p>Really parents?</p>
<p>Clearly a ■■■■■. </p>
<p>How did you let this get to 4 pages?</p>
<p>So that Hunt could weigh in and make us laugh?</p>