Penn State fraternity and 18 of its members are charged in student's death

@MomfromPA15317 …you are correct. It is even more appalling to realize that 33,000 alumni voted to appoint Jay Paterno. The largest amount. This even before all of the characters involved in the PSU/Sandusky Molestation case have been sentenced…it is just gross and demonstrates how deep the denial is and that inside the Penn State culture there very little remorse. They feel like they are the victims because Joe PA was removed from power because of his part in this gruesome history.

https://www.si.com/college-football/2017/05/05/jay-paterno-penn-state-board-trustees

https://www.landof10.com/penn-state/jay-paterno-elected-penn-states-board-trustees

@bester1 You’ve been going on and on and on about Jay Paterno…what crime did he commit that would preclude him from his position? It’s a tad off topic and I suppose I can google it to figure out…

And agree Hanna 45 parties…there aren’t even that many weekends and weeks in a semester y - even in a year that is a party almost every weekend OM Gosh.

Multiplied by how many houses? It’s 45 each right?

Semesters are 14-16 weeks depending on institution, 15 dominating significantly. Three parties/week means little studying.

@bester1 I am not an alumna of PSU. I am interested as I have a child there. I agree it is “culltish” the passion that alums have for this school; and a bit ironic that people that feel that way can’t comprehend that same level of passion and loyalty that Greeks have for their chapters. Whether Jay Paterno should have been elected, or not, I do not know because I don’t know much about him. I do suspect those votes were made out of respect for his father.

As for the 45 parties, the semester runs for 15 weeks. It breaks down to 3/week. Most college kids go out at least Friday and Saturday, if not once during the week also. I think that 45 may be a bit high but 10 is way too low. Even the most reserved students tend to go out more than once a week. When you count the chapter’s formal, date party and parent’s weekend, it leaves the open social schedule to about once every other week. I am certain that I went out more than once every two weeks while in college.

Penn State semesters are 15 weeks plus finals week.

That is still a heck of alot of “parties!”

Only 45 parties in 15 weeks? Sheesh. And how do you count? Are some 2 day parties? Can you have one ongoing party that lasts all semester? Is that just one party?

It sounds like the solution to this is called “homework.”

It was 45, now it is 10. But the article also talks about the size of the parties and if there are fewer, will that be even more of an issue? If each house can only have 10 parties, will they take turns hosting each other? Or will there be more off the books parties?

"If each house can only have 10 parties, will they take turns hosting each other? "

Most likely. That’s what the frats at my alma mater did.

I agree that 45 is way to many, but 10 may be too low. I wasn’t a Greek, but I remember that each sorority would at some point have a social with each fraternity. At a large school, those can add up quickly. Then, the frats usually had “open” parties on the weekends. I say open because they had to have guest lists but they would take turns hosting the parties. So, for example, fraternities A, B, and C would host parties on the first Saturday night and invite the other frats and their guests (almost always girls), and D, E and F would take the second Saturday, etc. It wasn’t difficult for girls to get put on the guest lists, even if they weren’t sorority girls (my friends and I went to a part at least every other weekend if not more).

10 parties per semester per fraternity is a lot, it means more than 100 parties a semester, three a month per frat where they can host one another…
One or two parties a week should be plenty for each student (15-30 a semester per person, across all houses it’d be easy to find.)

@momofthreeboys … you may regret in asking but I will make it as brief as possible…Jay is the son of Joe Paterno. He was on the team as a third shring quarterback in the 1980’s. He was then made a coach until he was released in 2011. It is believed that Joe knew in the 1970’s…

http://www.pennlive.com/news/2016/05/court_filing_says_joe_paterno.html
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/jerry-sandusky-accuser-joe-paterno-ignored-1970s-abuse-claim-n607861
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/13/sports/ncaafootball/joe-paterno-jerry-sandusky-sex-abuse-penn-state-1976-court-documents.html

It is likely that Jay knew something…

Joe knew for sure in 2002…follow the timeline…Although he controled Penn State (evident when the President came to his house to fire him, he told him to get off his property) he did nothing in an attempt to preserve his legacy.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/28/us/penn-state-scandal-fast-facts/

http://www.gq.com/story/joe-paterno-scandal-joe-posnanski-book-excerpt

Sandusky found guilty on 45 counts…
http://abcnews.go.com/US/jerry-sandusky-found-guilty-45-48-sex-abuse/story?id=16623842

Jay defends his fathers legacy…
https://www.si.com/college-football/video/2014/08/20/jay-paterno-defends-his-fathers-legacy

Former Penn State President Found Guilty in Sandusky Abuse Case
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/24/us/graham-panier-jerry-sandusky-penn-state.html

Jay wants the statue to return…
http://www.phillymag.com/news/2017/05/08/jay-paterno-penn-state-board/

There is so much more but you are asking why I bring this up…NOBODY DID ANYTHING ABOUT …and just a few years later regarding fraternities and secret society sororities…NOBODY DID ANYTHING…do I need to repost those articles, statements and timelines???

From today’s article…
http://www.pennlive.com/news/2017/06/penn_state_fraternity_timothy.html

“Penn State also has a long history of looking the other way at difficult situations,” the Piazzas wrote in their letter. “This must stop and all those who are part of turning a blind eye must be held accountable, just as the individuals who committed the crimes and recklessness should be held accountable.”

The entire point is that Penn State University has a history of placing self preservation before the good of the student. I do not hate PSU. I am a PA resident. I am not blinded because my child goes there. There is a serious cultural issue. Even today the students run around on game day with cut outs of Joe Paterno praising him.

Imagine if you were a victim or a family member of a victim. I happen to know how hideous and gross of a crime this is. The two incidents are two of the most bizzare and out of control situations that could have been stopped if anyone had the gumption to to the right thing…anyone…but it still continues to go on and on…

I understand that you likely have a child there. I understand that you want to protect your investment. I am not denying that PSU turns out some amazing kids…absolutely amazing…but this in not right and all of the denial and insulation (reminds me of Japan prior to WWII) is not healthy. As a resident, I have a right to demand, expect and encourage more from that administration. Penn State went out and hired a President that tried to cover up a sexual harrassment case/rape at Florida State.
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/attytood/Why-did-Penn-State-hire-the-president-of-Football-Rape-Coverup-U.html
https://newrepublic.com/article/117403/florida-state-rape-scandal-penn-states-new-president-fsu

WHen does it end?? When do we get someone with enough courage to do the right thing for the university and students- not just self preservation?? I am just asking Penn State supporters to face the truth so that the secrets can be brought to light.

They still sell Joe Pa cutouts at the book store…and people are still defending the fraternity that did nothing, not one thing to save their brothers life…and guess what? The administration knew darn well things were out of control and again did nothing. It is gross.
http://www.thestudentbookstore.com/ePOS/form=robots/item.html&item_number=W40560&store=520&design=520
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3794517/Despite-criticism-Penn-State-honors-Paterno-game.html

Penn State still doesn’t get it…
http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/18/opinion/jones-penn-state-still-doesnt-get-it/index.html
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2017/05/15/penn-state-horrific-death-pledges-family-sue-fraternity/101710090/

The culture needs to change.

I apologize for the overkill. You asked why it is relevant and there is so much more but I will just let that be.

Today:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/02/us/penn-state-administrators-sentenced/index.html

Short sentences but something.

“10 parties per semester per fraternity is a lot, it means more than 100 parties a semester, three a month per frat where they can host one another…
One or two parties a week should be plenty for each student (15-30 a semester per person, across all houses it’d be easy to find.)”

They won’t be able to “host each other” because the sanctions call for occupancy limits and no day parties. Therefore, the 4 way and 6 way parties that were happening in the past (2 fraternities + 2 sororities or 3+3) will have too many occupants to meet fire codes. These were not strictly enforced before. No day parties, means they won’t be hosting in their courtyards as was common.

The new sanctions are devised to limit parties to one fraternity and one sorority just a few times per semester.

The Board of Trustees meeting that took place today lasted for ONLY 20 minutes! I can’t believe an issue that impacts thousands of students only warranted 20 minutes. Unbelievable!

A lengthy chunk of the BoT statement, released today. The most notable changes are that IFC & PanHel will no longer have their own misconduct board-- PSU will adjudicate infractions via the student conduct system, and university staff will be hired to monitor parties. Also, rush will eventually be prohibited for freshmen.

“Our University community continues to mourn the death of student Tim Piazza and again sends our deepest sympathies to the Piazza family,” said Penn State President Eric Barron. “I am resolved to turn the pain and anguish radiating through our entire community into decisive action and reform, concentrating on the safety and well-being of students at Penn State. These new safety and reform initiatives represent a significant departure from the Greek system’s broken self-governance model and indicate steps necessary to address the complex problems.”

New measures include:

University control of the fraternity and sorority organizational misconduct and adjudication process.
Hazing that involves alcohol, physical abuse, or any behavior that puts a student’s mental or physical health at risk will result in swift permanent revocation of University recognition for the chapter involved.
Transition to deferred recruitment/rush process for fraternities and sororities.
Strict social restrictions.
Monitoring of social events by University staff members.
Relationship statement signed by all fraternity and sorority members that clarifies the respective rights and responsibilities of the University, the chapters and their respective members.
Further parent education: availability of report card, messages to reinforce with their students.
Capitation fee for support of extra services, spot-checkers/monitors, and educational activities.
There are other measures being discussed and will be instituted over time — all with a focus on prevention, monitoring and enforcement. These measures augment a series of actions taken earlier this year, which are being made permanent.

Barron will appoint a Greek Response Team, including government affairs and community relations, legal, police and student affairs, which will be responsible for directing and overseeing the implementation of these initiatives — reporting directly to the president on progress. This group will coordinate with local law enforcement, campus police and neighborhoods.

“The changes require significant shifts in the relationship among fraternities, sororities and the University,” said Barron. “But true change will not happen without the chapters, alumni boards, housing boards, councils, and national organizations commitment and partnership in putting student safety first, and encouraging chapter members to bring safety issues to the forefront.”

Recently, the North American Interfraternity Conference (NIC) also acknowledged that the fraternities’ self-governance model is broken and has failed to prevent serious excessive drinking problems on college campuses. But NIC needs to take this further, including addressing the contradictory incentive created by its risk management policies that may deter individuals from calling 911 in emergency situations, according to University leaders.

In addition, the University has begun critical conversations regarding legislative initiatives for the entire student population:

Support for a congressional proposal to expand Clery Act reporting to include hazing violations;
Continue discussions with state officials on ways to strengthen penalties for hazing, especially hazing that includes alcohol, and on increased statewide educational initiatives on the dangers of hazing and dangerous drinking; and
Advocate to expand the current law on Medical Amnesty for Underage Drinking to apply to the individual who requires medical assistance."

And just to add to @bester1’s long list in #711, don’t forget the Jay Paterno sued Penn State and eviscerated the Board of Trustees after he was fired. Further he has no background whatsoever in education and has never held a job that his father didn’t secure for him. What qualifies him to sit on the board?

I think his objectives are clear - to make sure PSU’s culture does not stray too far from what it was when his father was alive. This is what he tweeted the day after his appointment was made public:

https://twitter.com/JayPaterno/status/861537751048613889

Can the ten parties be longer than 1 day? Or is each day another party?

I’m not familiar with the party scene at PSU, but aren’t there parties not associated with frats? What do kids who don’t pledge do on the weekends?

10 parties seems like a lot of parties to those of us who lived in dorms where 3-4 parties a year were the norm.

@Sue22 You don’t have to be in a frat or sorority to go in a party scene.

Yeah, I managed to party pretty well without being in a sorority!