Penn State Sandusky scandal

[Stats21]

<p>Couldn’t read through the entire list but that panhellenic marathon is awesome. That is some serious cash. Well done.</p>

[cartera45]

<p>sax, I’m glad you posted that. PSU comes to mind as a party and a football school and I think many are surprised to find out how well regarded it is academically. As an aside, they also have one of the the top theater/musical theater programs in the country.</p>

[barrons]

<p>coureur–I am surprised you had such a narrow and ill-conceived view of PSU.</p>

[qdogpa]

<p>Not to diminsh the money raised for cancer, but it is not just PSU main campus, but it includes students from the sattelite campuses,where football is an aferthought</p>

[coureur]

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<p>For those of you who think PSU is only about football…ugh.
Where We Stand: Current Rankings<<</p>
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<p>No one said it’s ONLY about football. It’s just that they got their priorities skewed. I’m hoping they get righted.</p>

<p>Obviously a school as big as Penn State will have more than football to offer. But I bet not a single achievement on your lengthy list caused the students to gather on the quad or in front of say the Engineering building and chant “We Are, Penn State!”</p>

<p>Likewise, I bet none of the talented and long-serving professors on the faculty who led the students to achieve these academic honors are revered and honored around campus even 1/100th as much as St. Joe was. </p>

<p>On the PSU campus do any current academic professors have larger-than-life bronze statues of themselves showing them holding up a “We’re number one!” finger and leading a pack of student scholars to fame and glory?</p>

[Iglooo]

<p>I didn’t know about theater. Their science engineering program is top notch. The honor college is highly selective. A few years ago my kid’s friend was accepted both to Yale and Penn State honors. Went to Penn State. </p>

<p>I would like to plead people refrain from unnecessary bashing of students. As a nation we don’t gain anything if PSU goes down. It has produced successful people. We need more of them. Just imagine in 10-20 years, these kids will be in some kind of leadership position, maybe junior manager. If ever this kind of sexual allegation is brought to their attention, they will be in a better position to deal with it. That will a progress. There is no need to make it a bitter experience for them. It is hurting enough already. Do we want to expand the list of hurt people?</p>

[coase]

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I think one of the few good things that might come out of this whole mess would be if PSU people came to define the school primarily as academic institution instead of a football powerhouse. </p>

<p>Football has been PSU’s main source of fame and prestige ever since I can remember. It would be great if out of this they evolved into a school where everybody revered their top professors they way they did JoePa, or that superstar student scholars on campus were just as well-known and admired as their current football stars.

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<p>coureur is right on this one. Those of us in academia know very well how good Penn State is as an academic institution, just as we know how good UNC, Texas and Florida are, to name a few other examples of underappreciated institutions. But they are in the public consciousness primarily because of athletics. Like it or not, that is the reality of the situation.</p>

[1moremom]

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<p>While its sad the students are feeling the fallout, they also basked in and enjoyed the benefitsnofnthe Penn state athletic department and football program<<</p>
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<p>I would not say my son “basked” or “enjoyed”; he had no interest whatsoever.</p>

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<p>Don’t forget #1 most expensive public school.<<</p>
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<p>These are the Pennsylvania public schools–
Bloomsburg
California
Cheyney
Clarion
East Stroudsburg
Edinboro
Indiana
Kutztown
Lock Haven
Mansfield
Millersville
Shippensburg
Slippery Rock
West Chester</p>

<p>PSU is considered “state-related” and as such receives a much lower level of state funding, resulting in much higher tuition.</p>

[qdogpa]

<p>Of those state schools in PA,none are anythng special, with the possible exception of WestChester,the rest are run of the mill, and some actually are not so good</p>

[ellemenope]

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Nobody “has to” defend Sandusky.

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<p>No, but SOMEBODY has to. If no lawyer in the US came forward to defend him, he couldn’t be brought to trial.</p>

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Of those state schools in PA,none are anythng special, with the possible exception of WestChester,the rest are run of the mill, and some actually are not so good

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<p>Pitt and Temple are also state-related institutions. Pitt is a stong research institution.</p>

[qdogpa]

<p>Pitt is a very good school…</p>

[qdogpa]

<p>[Arizona</a> man says Penn State officials ignored his report of abuse by a former professor | PennLive.com](<a href=“http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/arizona_man_says_penn_state_of.html]Arizona”>Arizona man says Penn State officials ignored his report of abuse by a former professor - pennlive.com)</p>

[janesmith]

<p>Some insight into the mind of pedophiles was offered by one of the readers on Andrew Sullivan’s blog, commenting on Sandusky’s interview with Bob Costas.</p>

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In listening to the Costas interview, I was drawn back to my days spent in the Massachusetts Treatment Center for Sexually Dangerous Persons in Bridgewater, MA. First, Sandusky exhibits no affect in the interview. There is no outrage, no emotion, no anger, no sadness. Imagine, just for a moment, if YOU were innocent and accused of these horrific crimes. Your emotional state would be intense. His is anything but. This is, sorry to say, classic pedophile affect.</p>

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[Cardinal_Fang]

<p>janesmith, I was about to quote the same thing. The original comment can be found by Googling “Andrew Sullivan The Dish” and scrolling down to Putting Sandusky’s Interview Under the Microscope. We can’t link to blogs so I can’t provide a link.</p>

[ttparent]

<p>If true the whistle blowing protection for McQueary makes a lot more sense now and it looks really bad for the Penn State administrators and campus police.</p>

<p>[Penn</a> State Nittany Lions scandal – Mike McQueary stopped alleged assault, source says - ESPN](<a href=“http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7238963/penn-state-nittany-lions-scandal-mike-mcqueary-stopped-alleged-assault-source-says]Penn”>Penn State Nittany Lions scandal -- Mike McQueary stopped alleged assault, source says - ESPN)</p>

<p>A source familiar with the state investigation of child sexual assault allegations against Jerry Sandusky tells ESPN’s Tom Rinaldi that Mike McQueary stopped Sandusky’s alleged rape of a boy as young as 10 years old that McQueary witnessed at a shower at the Penn State practice facility in 2002.</p>

<p>The source characterized McQueary, a key witness in the case, as “credible” and “consistent” in describing the events of the alleged attack to investigators.</p>

<p>McQueary, a Penn State wide receivers coach who was placed on administrative leave Friday, also told a friend in an email that he stopped the alleged rape and discussed it with police.</p>

<p>In the email, first obtained and reported Tuesday by The Morning Call of Allentown, Pa., McQueary said he “did have discussions with police and with the official at the university in charge of police” after the alleged incident.</p>

[parent57]

<p>“Likewise, I bet none of the talented and long-serving professors on the faculty who led the students to achieve these academic honors are revered and honored around campus even 1/100th as much as St. Joe was.”</p>

<p>Trust me, there is no professor at Duke who is revered and well-known even 1/1000th as much as Krzyzewski. There is nothing unusual about this. Some of the posters here need to get some perspective.</p>

[poetgrl]

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I’ve made it VERY VERY CLEAR that I am NOT “rationalizing” having ANY kind of sex with a 10 year old, and that I find it abhorrent and WRONG. NO MATTER WHAT. This predictable attack is why I hesitated to even bring up my friend’s story, even though I think it is pertinent to people’s understanding.

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<p>Just so we’re clear, I wasn’t in any way, nor would I assume anyone else was, jumping on the poster of the original comment. It was the content of the post which caused me, at least, to want the correct information out there. As in, well, no such thing as consensual sex with a ten year old, regardless of what the ten year old might think… or the pedophile might tell himself the ten year old thinks. </p>

<p>Also, I completely believe everyone in the US should have the best possible legal defense in the circumstances where they are accused of criminal behavior. I’m actually a little horrified to hear things like, “You can’t take the fifth in a civil suit.” I believe all constitutional protections should always be in place for all of us.</p>

<p>I believe Sandusky committed heinous crimes. But, I could be wrong. Any of us could be wrong. Here it is only talk. But, in a court of law, we all deserve to be considered innocent until proven guilty.</p>

[Cardinal_Fang]

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“Likewise, I bet none of the talented and long-serving professors on the faculty who led the students to achieve these academic honors are revered and honored around campus even 1/100th as much as St. Joe was.”</p>

<p>Trust me, there is no professor at Duke who is revered and well-known even 1/1000th as much as Krzyzewski. There is nothing unusual about this. Some of the posters here need to get some perspective.

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<p>I don’t doubt it, but do you defend that state of affairs? 'Cause my perspective is, a university shouldn’t be running a professional sports team.</p>

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Trust me, there is no professor at Duke who is revered and well-known even 1/1000th as much as Krzyzewski. There is nothing unusual about this. Some of the posters here need to get some perspective.

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<p>Few posters are more adept at missing the point than you seem to be. Your reply was of no relevance to the original point.</p>