Penn State Sandusky scandal

<p>Saturday will be Joe’s last game. The board of trustees asked him to resign, he refused, they will not renew his contract (which is up at the end of this season). Spanier is consulting lawyers and will undoubtedly be the next to go. Curley/Schultz are indemnified employees already charged and as such their status is more complicated (legally speaking). </p>

<p>The irony is that a man who built an empire on student learning and above all the development of young men into great men will have as his most lasting legacy serving as a reminder that there is no excuse sufficient for failing to protect the students in your midst.</p>

<p>He refused? Wow.</p>

<p>I really am shocked and interested to hear his side of this.</p>

<p>It’s tempting to repeat the old saw about the coverup being worse than the crime - except in this case, it’s hard to imagine anything being worse than the crime.</p>

<p>But certainly the coverup has turned what would have been a minor embarrassment for the university and the football program had it been dealt with timely and responsibly into a cataclysmic event.</p>

<p>For Paterno, the lifetime of achievement, built over 46 years, will now always have an asterisk.</p>

<p>How sad - yet how necessary.</p>

<p>The only thing that might excuse Paterno in my eyes would be if Schulz came back to him and told him that it had been investigated and that there was nothing to it.</p>

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<p>Annasdad - I had the same thought about the cover up.</p>

<p>Hunt - if there was nothing to it, then the GA should have been fired for making up such a story. It would have been hard for the GA to misinterpret what he saw. I do understand your point, of course.</p>

<p>Hunt – That is exactly how our local media is portraying it - Paterno documented reported it. He was told it was dealt with. He dropped it. HOWEVER, because Paterno and none of these others brought it to the attention of police they failed in their responsibilities. </p>

<p>So many adults witnessed these acts, not just those at Penn State. It should be a wake up call for all of us to intercede more when we see something. And as parents, question if your kid is receiving gifts too good to be true.</p>

<p>Unfortunately, I think more victims will come forward as this unfolds.</p>

<p>A potential ninth victim, now an adult, has come forward.</p>

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<p>This was NEVER going to be a minor embarrassment. Even if Paterno had gone to CPS after the grad student spoke to him, there would have been investigations into whether people “should have known” earlier. Hindsight is always 50/50. It would have been a media firestorm, no matter what. Of course, wishing to avoid such an event is no excuse for allowing this guy to continue to molest kids.</p>

<p>Does anyone know why he wasn’t prosecuted after the report of the mother, the detective listening in on the phone call, etc?</p>

<p>The worse thing about the cover-up is that it allowed a pervert to then molest untold numbers of additional children. These victims are “blood on the hands” of Paterno and any other person who was informed of the original allegation. Yes Coach reported the initial report to the AD but once he knew that it had not been forwarded on to the police he had a moral obligation act. And perhaps he had a legal obligation to report the alleged incident to law enforcement.</p>

<p>Earlier, someone posted that Paterno called a meeting of Schulz, the head of the PSU police, and the grad student. Others have said that the PSU police are “regular” police. Does that mean that Paterno had in fact carried through on reporting it to the police?</p>

<p>“This was NEVER going to be a minor embarrassment. Even if Paterno had gone to CPS after the grad student spoke to him, there would have been investigations into whether people “should have known” earlier. Hindsight is always 50/50. It would have been a media firestorm, no matter what.”</p>

<p>If the incident the GA saw had been reported to Child Protective Services or police, one person would have been implicated, not numerous people and reputations sullied.</p>

<p>I disagree, ohiomom. There would have been investigations into whether anyone saw anything anywhere at any time, and things would inevitably have been found. (Remember the janitors?) It is likely that many would have been pilloried for failing to recognize what was going on. Do recall that there was an investigation in 1998, 4 years before the grad student incident.</p>

<p>As I said, this does not mean that it should not have been reported and vigorously pursued. But let’s not be unrealistic about the ramifications of doing so for the individuals involved.</p>

<p>There was not a meeting of Paterno and anyone. He reported the GA’s account (or what Paterno says was the GA’s account — what Joe was told remains unclear or at least conflicts with the GA’s testimony of what he told Joe) to Curley. Schultz and Curley had a meeting with the GA a full week later. Paterno was not present at that meeting. </p>

<p>University police are not “real” police in the sense that we want it to be appropriate to call them, and no one else. </p>

<p>Paterno apparently is planning his own press conference later today, and is refusing to accept the will of the PSU community and B. of Trustees. If this had all been reported in 1998, yes, there would have been media attention. But not criminal charges.</p>

<p>greenbutton, I was talking about what would have happened if it had been reported to the “real” police or CPS in 2002, not 1998.</p>

<p>In any case, the whole thing stinks to high heaven. As someone said upthread, there are no heroes here.</p>

<p>One thing that is glaringly absent from the story is whether Sandusky was confronted or interviewed by any of these people along the way.</p>

<p>"I disagree, ohiomom. There would have been investigations into whether anyone saw anything anywhere at any time, and things would inevitably have been found. (Remember the janitors?) It is likely that many would have been pilloried for failing to recognize what was going on. Do recall that there was an investigation in 1998, 4 years before the grad student incident.</p>

<p>As I said, this does not mean that it should not have been reported and vigorously pursued. But let’s not be unrealistic about the ramifications of doing so for the individuals involved."</p>

<p>I don’t see your point. So what? Some janitors would have been questioned? Ok. I’m sure they’ll be questioned now. And there would have been fewer victims over a several year span of time. </p>

<p>“But let’s not be unrealistic about the ramifications of doing so for the individuals involved.”</p>

<p>What?</p>

<p>What time is Paterno having his rogue press conference? I hope he’s getting good counsel.</p>

<p>I am going to go all legal here for a moment. I am not addressing the morality of anything, except somewhat. I think the rush to judgment here on the Penn State administrators is unwarranted, and I think the prosecutor’s conduct with respect to those men deserves a lot of criticism.</p>

<p>First of all, all of this talk about “the legally required minimum” is poppycock. Not because the law required more of these people, but because it required nothing at all of them. The failure to report “crime” – today, a class 3 misdemeanor, back then a summary offense, i.e., a traffic ticket – applies only to people who regularly care for children who observe or otherwise receive evidence of abuse to children in their care. The kid in this case – the only kid Messrs. Curley, Schultz, or McQuearey knew anything about – was not a kid in their care (as, for example, a 17-year-old Penn State football player might have been); he was a guest of a retired coach.</p>

<p>On top of that, the incident occurred 9 years ago. The statute of limitations for child abuse hasn’t expired – it lasts a really long time. But the statute of limitations for the failure to report summary offense in 2002? I haven’t researched it, but I don’t think it’s subject to the special child abuse statute.</p>

<p>In other words, the indictment of ANYONE – Curley, Schultz, McQueary, Paterno – for failing to report anything in this case in 2002 is (or would be) an unalloyed act of prosecutorial misconduct: charging an offense on which no conviction is possible solely to embarrass the accused.</p>

<p>I feel conflicted, because like everyone else I think the accused may have a lot to answer for, morally, and I kind of wish more people (Paterno, Spanier) were more embarrassed. But the Pennsylvania AG does not have the role of Satan in Job or the Kabbala – God’s prosecutor, demanding that each person pay for his ethical lapses and weaknesses. It’s his job to prosecute crimes, hopefully serious crimes, not to publicize sensational but non-criminal activity. And certainly not to use Grand Jury investigative powers to discover and to expose evidence of non-crimes. That’s not OK.</p>

<p>Now let’s talk about perjury, which IS a serious crime and is clearly not barred by the statute of limitations. (It might be barred as the result of a perjury trap, since the questions on which they allegedly perjured themselves were hardly relevant to any prosecutable crime.) </p>

<p>The only ground on which Curley and Schultz are accused of committing perjury is that they said McQueary did not tell them “anal penetration”, and McQueary said he did. They don’t dispute that he told them about inappropriate sexual conduct, and that they treated the report as such. If they had a duty to report anything – which I think they pretty clearly didn’t – it didn’t matter whether it was inappropriate touching or full-on sodomy. If they didn’t have a duty to report anything, making what they didn’t have to report actual anal penetration makes it several notches more horrifying and disgusting, but doesn’t magically create a legal obligation. So if they lied, they lied about something immaterial to anything, and that’s not perjury.</p>

<p>But did they lie? I can’t know, of course, but there are a whole bunch of things in this story that make me think maybe they didn’t lie. First – and this is actually important – all of us are outraged that no one reacted strongly enough to a 60-year-old man sodomizing a 10-year-old boy in a shower. But maybe no one reacted strongly enough to that, because no one thought that was was had happened. Remember, no victim has actually come forward here, and only one victim who has come forward has reported any actual attempt to penetrate him anally, so it’s not like there is any evidence that this was happening all the time. It seems possible to me that everyone reacted the way they did in 2002 – including McQueary, by the way – because they thought what they were dealing with was several quanta less horrifying than anal sex.</p>

<p>We only have McQueary’s word for it that there was anal sex, and that he told anyone about it. As far as the grand jury was concerned, it was clear that he didn’t tell Paterno there was anal sex – because Paterno obviously didn’t tell Curley that, and Paterno denied it to the grand jury and wasn’t charged with perjury. If we assume that McQueary DID see anal sex, or something like it, why is anyone so quick to believe that he was clear about it when he spoke with Curley and Schultz, when he wasn’t clear at all about it with Paterno? And isn’t it possible that at the time McQueary wasn’t as sure as he is today that what he saw was anal sex?</p>

<p>So – I think the AG dragged Curley and Schultz into this case on a very questionable basis. They committed no crime in 2002. As a matter of law (because the question was irrelevant) they didn’t commit perjury in 2011, and it’s entirely possible that they told the truth to the grand jury. Not only are they entitled to a presumption of innocence – of course they are – there’s a good chance that they actually ARE innocent. Of crimes, at least.</p>

<p>They aren’t innocent of bad judgment, of course. I wish they had done a lot more to stop Sandusky. I wish in 1998 the university police had followed up a bit more and realized they were looking at the tip of an iceberg of bad behavior rather than one incident that crossed the line, but barely. </p>

<p>But there’s a huge difference between that and thinking that all these men knew Sandusky was a sexual predator who would stop at nothing, and covered it up deliberately to protect the Penn State football program. I have a hard time believing that happened with one person, much less ALL of these people. The rush to public judgment here on the basis of out-and-out abuse of power by the prosecutor is very, very disturbing to me.</p>

<p>You don’t find it a tad coincidental that Sandusky ‘stepped down’ in 1999 ,when in 1998 ,it is reported that he had some type of incident with a young boy? And it is reported that JoePa had told him he would not succeed him as head coach…?? I think this is when EVERYONEvwas aware of what was happening,and PSU took the weasel way out by using the non-succession plan of headcoach job to cover it all up…</p>