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<p>Did anyone say that JoePa himself had that power? Please re-read my post.</p>
<p>BUT JoePa was powerful enough to throw the president of the university out of his house. He was beloved enough that he was up for the Medal of Freedom. If JoePa had wanted Sandusky arrested and had aggressively pursued that aim, then it would have happened. Instead, he just walked away.</p>
<p>This forum is being used as a vehicle to destroy the name and reputation of Penn State University, its staff, its alumni, the city of State college and students based on a grand jury report produced by the prosecution. No one has heard the details of the defense. No one is interested in being cautious and fair and allowing the United States Judicial System to move forward as it was set up to do.</p>
<p>I am disgusted with the posters who have taken over this thread to spout their bombastic rhetoric against all things Penn State. </p>
<p>phew…that felt good.</p>
<p>carry on…</p>
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<p>Be careful being too general there! That’s been my point all along 
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<p>The one where you said he had the power to have the guy arrested? Yeah, I read it. That’s what I quoted.</p>
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<p>And I have the power to throw President Obama out of my house. Your point?</p>
<p>sax,
are you kidding?
PSU’s reputation is being tarnished by what has happened. And then the media is there, too.
Forget about us on this thread. We are just bystanders who struggle with it all and have personal reactions to share (and yes there is a variety on this thread), and also want to analyze the case as far as we can, esp as new facts, testimony and reports come in.</p>
<p>Get over your fury. Lest it appear that you are in denial. Join in the discussion without being dismissive. That could be helpful. Life is not black or white, but this is how we try to figure out how dark or light the grey is…</p>
<p>I am all for analyzing facts and testimony. i too struggle with it. However, is this the world I want my children growing up in? One where your character can be destroyed before anyone bothers to get the facts. </p>
<p>and no I am not kidding.</p>
<p>hops_scout. You are showing your ignorance of the situation on Penn State. Joe Paterno was one of the most powerful people on the campus. He was able to kick the University President out of his house when he came to talk to Paterno about retiring.</p>
<p>All the sports commentators laughed at his excuse that he passed the information on to his “superior” knowing full well that he had no superior on that campus.</p>
<p>Even Paterno thought that. On the day of his firing he literally was telling the trustees to back off he would leave when he wanted to. That of course being the final straw, he was fired immediately</p>
<p>No one wanted to him to arrest anyone, but most people have a problem that he could not pick up a phone and make an extra phone call, that Sandusky still had access to the team weight room, that PSU Players were helping on his charity. All these are facts.</p>
<p>Just hoping that some revelation will come about to explain this is naive. For one thing, if there is one, why hasn’t paterno given it? He must realize that his reputation is gone, that all the good he did before will now mean virtually nothing. He had the opportunity and said nothing. The only reasonable conclusion is that there is nothing to say</p>
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<p>And again my point stands. It’s his house; he can kick whoever he wants out of it! If the President wanted to have the power force that conversation, then maybe he should have had the meeting in his office?</p>
<p>Sax: Dont think its the Grand Jury that trashed PSU’s reputation. Its actions like having Jerry Sandusky hold football sleepovers on PSU campuses for 9 year-olds that did that</p>
<p>[As</a> Recently As 2009, Jerry Sandusky Was Running An Overnight Football Camp For Kids On Penn State Campuses](<a href=“As Recently As 2009, Jerry Sandusky Was Running An Overnight Football Camp For Kids On Penn State Campuses”>As Recently As 2009, Jerry Sandusky Was Running An Overnight Football Camp For Kids On Penn State Campuses)</p>
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<p>Let me expand: When the president came calling to fire him, he had the power not only to throw the president of the university out of his house, but also to keep his job. Do you have that power vis a vis your boss?</p>
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<p>Yes, I think I would. But then my boss is a rational individual who appreciates what I do for our company.</p>
<p>hops_scout: This line of reasoning actually does not matter. The main reason why a lot of folks have turned on Paterno is that when it mattered, he did not live up to the ideas that he had been spouting all his years there. He came to look upon himself as superior to those other coaches in Football, but did the bare minimum when he had his chance</p>
<p>He went from iconic coach to textbook example of hypocrisy in one fell swoop, and he is going to have to deal with it. Chiseling his name off the Big Ten Championship trophy is just the beginning</p>
<p>hops_scout: Really? If your boss told you that you’re fired, you’d be able to say “No, I’m not” and then continue to report to work for 5 more years? If that is the case, then YOU have the power in the relationship.</p>
<p>Sax, I admit I was one whose knee-jerk reaction to this whole thing was to have anger towards the football program and PSU for not doing enough. But after reading the differing opinions on this board, I realized this was offensive to the students and the football program in general.</p>
<p>Do I still think the people in charge who knew behaved deplorably? Yes. But PSU is a venerable institution, and I hope it comes out with its reputation intact after this.</p>
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<p>!!!:rolleyes:</p>
<p>Sax, I’m with you that even though the actions of several individuals at PSU are deplorable, the bashing of the entire school, its students, its academic programs, and so on is overkill and unwarranted.</p>
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<p>So true. And I really wonder about the motivation behind such attacks.</p>
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<p>I didn’t know “being asked to retire” was the same as telling you “you’re fired.”</p>
<p><strong>Sax, I’m with you that even though the actions of several individuals at PSU are deplorable, the bashing of the entire school, its students, its academic programs, and so on is overkill and unwarranted.</strong></p>
<p>I don’t think I saw that on this forum. I haven’t read it all, but anyone who posted such things certainly should just be dismissed.</p>
<p>When you create an environement of cult like adoration of a group like Penn state football, when one program is how the world sees an institution, when Penn state itself plays up on the reputation of it football legacy to elevate it’s status, raise money, etc, then, yes, the whole school has to deal with the consequences</p>
<p>You can’t in one breath reap the benefits of psu football and then when the chips are down not be willing to take the grief. As a school you created the environment these so called men reveled in and now you need to reassess your priorities</p>
<p>100 phone calls is the sign of a sick desperate person, just saying</p>
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<p>Maybe the location of the meeting was also an indication of who had the power. When Paterno reported what McQueary saw to Curley, he called Curley over to his house to do it.</p>
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<p>Aww, come on, hops. Get the h*** out, is get the h*** out, regardless of how nice you try to put it.</p>