<p>@qdogpa – The word is that the board is meeting to determine how and when they are going to dismiss Joe Paterno. At some point in the last couple of days he lost the allegiance of a majority of its members. They usually meet on Friday but they are having an earlier meeting this week in light of what happened.</p>
<p>Eight victims so far are reported, eight, not one, not two, not three, eight and seems more may be out there…this is not like duke, its like the catholic church.</p>
<p>All these so called men did nothing and in all probality enabled a child abuser to continue assualting children, if any one of them even had an inkling of an idea that one of there staff was in the slightest bit acting inappropriately, they should have reported it. Period. No excuses, no legal reason, no wussing out. They should all be ashamed of themselves.</p>
<p>Spanier has to go. That’s a much bigger priority than getting rid of Joe Pa.</p>
<p>Tom…you suggest paterno’s only obligation was to report it…he did, to the AD, that’s it. At that point he knew what kind of man Sandusky was(I bet he knew before that even)…yet he still let him bring young boys to the facilities for years after. You don’t see a problem here?</p>
<p>Paterno had a moral responsibility to make sure something like this would never happen again…he didn’t. He facilitated it happening again…and again.</p>
<p>Pea, yes, i am aware of that,i posted the same upthread awhile ago…and Seahorses, the count is now 9</p>
<p>“I have trouble believing, though, that any of them thought Sandusky was raping (not just inappropriately touching) kids on a regular basis,”</p>
<p>Oh please…they find out that he was raping a boy in the shower and thought…“no biggie, I’m sure it won’t happen again…probably just a 1 time deal.”</p>
<p>Are you serious???</p>
<p>Did any of you actually READ the Duke faculty report?</p>
<p>[Duke</a> University | Report of the Lacrosse ad hoc Review Committee](<a href=“http://today.duke.edu/showcase/mmedia/features/lacrosse_incident/lacrossereport.html]Duke”>Duke University | Report of the Lacrosse ad hoc Review Committee)</p>
<p>Sexual assault is sexualmassault, whether there is penetration or not, to try and make a distinction when it comes to children is appalling. To think that inappropriate touching is somehow not horrid, and if any of those men make that excuse is pathetic</p>
<p>Being a member of the BigTen carries with it institutional responsibilities. The institution failed beyond imagination in that. They DO NOT DESERVE to be a member. Just too bad for their students and faculty. Their admin should have thought about before the cover-up. I do not want my conference associated with the worst form of criminals and these are among the worst and the university was instrumental in that continuing. The faculty and students can decide on their own whether to stay or leave.</p>
<p>geeps I have suggested no such thing. I have said we do not have the entire story we do not know what follow up questions Paterno asked and what he was told. Again it is possible he did not do enough but why isn’t it possible that he was mislead by individuals that the matter was dealt with as the law would allow? You seem to think he was and is all powerful and could get anything he wanted done at anytime. Well he wanted to speak today and was refused. He will not get to speak until he is the ex-coach.</p>
<p>^ he let sandusky back on the facility with young boys…after he was told what he did in the shower.</p>
<p>You have posted twice that Paterno did actually report it…like that is all he is supposed to do.</p>
<p>Tom he could not allowed molestation to continue…he could have fired Sandusky. He did nothing and in fact created a safe haven for a molester.</p>
<p>Barrons, you are completely off base here. You don’t want “your” conference associated with this, well WE (Penn State alum and students) don’t want our school associated with those disgusting few either! Get rid of the people involved, ABSOLUTELY, but to punish an entire student body and all faculty for the mistakes of a few is ridiculously irresponsible.</p>
<p>Actually, the count is probably at least 10-11. There are two other kids identified by initials in the report, with a strong implication that they were probably victims, too, but had not been interviewed. Note, also, however, that two of the 8 victims, including the 2002 victim causing all of this controversy, are completely unknown, unindentified, and uninterviewed. But those are two of the four “numbered” victims where there was ongoing sexual contact, not just, essentially, a rejected pass. (Which, of course, is horrible enough, but not quite the same as keeping a kid as a sex slave for months, which did happen to some of these kids.)</p>
<p>The count of kids whose legs he squeezed or with whom he showered naked may well be in scores, or hundreds. (When I was in middle school, our coaches showered with us, and no one thought it was a big deal. Not one-on-one, though.) I bet the count of kids who endured a lot worse is also much higher than four, but I hope not too much higher.</p>
<p>Au contraire^^^^</p>
<p>As of Monday’s press conference, the grand jury presentment identified eight separate victims, six of whom were known to prosecutors. Since the Attorney General asked further victims to come forward and publicized a phone number to call, the number of reported victims has “more than doubled in the past day, and is closer to 20 victims.”</p>
<p>That’s reported by FOX 29 in Philadelphia, on top of a verified ninth victim who has already spoken with authorities. That man, now in his 20s, claims he met Jerry Sandusky through The Second Mile .</p>
<p>Sorry AM17–when an Institution fails it goes down. See Lehman Bros. many good people lost their jobs through no fault of their own. as a group–not individuals. PSU has failed as an instituion and this cannot be tolerated.</p>
<p>All I can say is that hind sight is 20/20. I was not there when Paterno made the decisions that he did. It is agreed that he legally took all of the steps that he was required to. But I do not know why he stopped at that point, bringing the moral responsibility into play. I am sure that he has regrets about how he handled the situation too. </p>
<p>Is it possible that Paterno was assured that the accusation was taken to the authorities and under investigation by the admin? Or had been investigated and found to be false? Is there a possibilty that Paterno truely felt that those he trusted in his organization did the right thing because they lied to him about what they did/did not do? </p>
<p>I do not know these answers, but I did read that Paterno was found innocent by the investigator. I am going under the assumption that is true. </p>
<p>It is all sad on so many levels. Beyond sad for the 8-20+ kids, sad for their parents, sad for Penn State, and just a sad commentary on the priorities of a university admin. </p>
<p>I know that more and more info will come forward about what happened, but we will never know everything. Speculation and assumptions are going to cloud this conversation forever. And that is sad too.</p>
<p>Seahorse- Sandusky did not work for Paterno in 2002. How do you know it was Paterno that created the safe haven for Sandusky. Where is the supporting documents for that. Besides the 1998 incident which was not rape and was deemed to not be a crime by the DA what did Paterno do between 1998 and 2002 that was wrong? Can you tell me exactly what Paterno did in 2002 besides report the incident, do we know if he followed up in any way? Do we know that he did not? Are all of you sure you know everything he did or did not do? Can he at least give an explanation of his actions. Although most of you have already determined his guilt. I wonder if you will listen to all the information with an open or closed mind?</p>
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<p>When I was in 7th and 8th grades, in a private school in New York City in 1966-68, there were <em>lots</em> of things that certain coaches and teachers did to and with students that most kids had seen or heard about, and thought were odd or “weird” (I certainly did), that would probably get them fired and perhaps arrested if they happened now. Including my 7th grade English teacher, kindly old Mr. W------, who used to select little boys he liked, had them come up to the front of the class, and stood there hugging and fondling them (including their rear ends) while he continued to conduct class. Or the wrestling coach, Mr. Q----, who took great care to look and/or reach down the fronts of boys’ shorts, on a regular basis, to make sure they were wearing jock straps. </p>
<p>Times have changed.</p>
<p>And, geeps, why don’t you read the report? According to the grand jury – which may or may not have been trying to protect Paterno, I don’t know – it’s absolutely clear that Paterno was NOT told Sandusky was having anal sex with a boy on the shower. And while Paterno no doubt had the power to make the sun shine at night in State College PA if he chose, that doesn’t mean he actually spent his time deciding who could and couldn’t use offices in the PSU athletic facilities. </p>
<p>Like Paterno, the others deny they were told about the anal sex. The difference is that the grand jury doesn’t believe them, and it does believe Paterno, and also that McQueary testified that he did tell them but may not have told Paterno. </p>
<p>Does that make a lot of sense? No, it doesn’t. Is there more than one way to resolve the discrepancy? Yes, there is.</p>