<p>Facts are out just read them before comparing Apples to Pears</p>
<p>
</p>
<p>I get that he’s revered almost like a God in Happy Valley, but I agree with you.</p>
<p>The facts are not out yet. There is a grand jury report which are the facts as seen by the prosecutor. Should we skip the trial? I am not saying that anyone does not deserve criticism but can we wait for an explanation from those we want to rake over the coals. Has the prosecutor ripped into Paterno or the University for what they failed to do?</p>
<p>Penn State to State Pen…</p>
<p>The groundswell against the administration on facebook has been swift. For all those saying wait to judge, I agree that for the criminal matters we should. However, what is clear is that the administration from the top down hid information that they were obligated (legally, ethically and morally) to report. I do not think there is any question that this was wrong.</p>
<p>Notice that this prosecution didn’t occur until after a woman became PA. Attorney General. Generally, I’ve found that women are much less tolerant of abuse of underage persons and much less respectful of a powerful good ole boys network. If women had real power in the Catholic Church, the coverup of abuse in so many dioceses would never had been tolerated.</p>
<p>The VP who was charged is the second most powerful person in the Penn State organization. The mature grad student said he personally recounted to that VP the anal sex that he saw with an underage boy in a Penn State shower. That VP was not only in charge of overseeing Penn State’s police force, but also was probably in charge of overseeing all human resource matters. </p>
<p>The VP’s sole response was to tell the coach he couldn’t bring the boys onto campus. That allegedly is a case of protecting the reputation of your institution, but ignoring the needs of the kids. The VP is also charged with perjury before a grand jury. The Penn State President should be very very careful about coming to the defense of these guys.</p>
<p>I just read that all legal expenses for Curley and Schulz will be paid by PSU!!!</p>
<p>I agree that these allegations are disgusting and sickening. What a shame that children can’t be safe when doing sports or other activities. What an even worse shame that adults feel the need to cover up and protect abusers.</p>
<p>However, as to the fact that PSU is paying for the defense - many contracts of employment and insurance policies and practices require an employer to pay the defense costs of an employee. It may have nothing whatsoever to do with how the alleged perp is viewed. Remember, the law in the US is that someone is innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. </p>
<p>I feel for the grad student, who was probably not much more than a kid himself at the time. It took courage to report it, even to the coach, when the repercussions could have been so severe in his own life. It would have been easier to ignore it and keep walking. He probably did what he felt right; he must have trusted the people he reported to and may have thought that nobody would believe him. However, his report back then may be the basis for justice being served now. </p>
<p>I also feel for the children who were abused and hope that they are doing ok.</p>
<p>charlie- I did notice that the prosecutor is now a women. Joan52 I read the grad student was 28 and wen to his dad about what he saw. They then called Paterno. Paterno called the AD and a meeting with the AD and Schultz, who was in charge of the Penn State polce, was held with the grad assistant.
Since Schultz is in charge of the police I wonder if that is enough to meet the requirement that in sex abuse cases the police must be notified.</p>
<p>I read the Grand Jury report and was shocked. Yes, people are presumed innocent unless found guilty but the Grand Jury clearly had enough evidence to take this further. It is hard to believe that so many young men would have stories that are so consistent.</p>
<p>While employers should pay the defense of employees who are charged with wrongdoing within the course and scope of their employment, it is hard to see how any of these allegations of criminal wrongdoing would have been at the bequest of PSU.</p>
<p>I wonder if it would have made a difference if the grad student’s parents had gone with him to file the report. While 27 is presumed old enough to handle this kind of issue by himself, the athletic department might have handled this differently if they believed that others had knowledge of it and were waiting to hear the result of the investigation. I also wondered if the school has a hot line for reporting misconduct. If not, that should be their first corrective measure so that no one has to report misconduct to someone in the chain of command for that particular incident.</p>
<p>
</p>
<p>[Sen</a>. Piccola wants probe of Penn State University officials’ alleged inaction | PennLive.com](<a href=“http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/sen_piccola_wants_probe_of_pen.html]Sen”>Sen. Piccola wants probe of Penn State University officials' alleged inaction - pennlive.com)</p>
<p>I hope that people who haven’t read the grand jury report aren’t assuming that what’s involved here is allegedly consensual sex with college students. To be blunt, what’s involved is acts like sodomizing 10-year olds. That’s what the graduate assistant saw and reported, and that’s what was allegedly covered up.</p>
<p>Agree with Piccola. If this is true, recruiting violations definitely are small potatoes in comparison to the alleged sexual abuse of young boys over the course of many years by an assistant coach. Also agree with a couple of other posters-The grad student who stepped forward was courageous. Paterno and the Penn State football program are legends. Must have been very difficult to ,in effect ,turn a program in and potentially have your own career compromised… Penn State is a great school and it is sad to see this happening.</p>
<p>Saw this on ESPN. Read the Grand Jury’s report and it was extremely disturbing. </p>
<p>The obvious crime is Sandusky’s alleged serial child abuse–made all the more sick by the fact that he founded a charity to help young at risk boys, which he allegedly used as a steady source of potential victims. </p>
<p>However the whole thing is all the more tragic given the failure of university officials to act upon the information they were allegedly given. Had the administration done what they were legally required to do back in the early 2000s there’s a very good chance Sandusky would have been prevented from comiting the alledged further subsequent instances of abuse.</p>
<p>If you read the Grand Jury report we’re not exactly talking grey zone material. </p>
<p>It’s not like someone just reported up the chain that Sandusky seemed to be a bit too friendly with some of the kids from the charity. Without repeating the graphic details the report alleges that officials were told in no uncertain terms that horrific abuse had occurred. </p>
<p>How they could allegidly fail to act upon that information, especially when Sandusky is clearly seen to continue his close involvement with young boys, is just inexcusable and if the charges are proven in court they should be put behind bars. </p>
<p>In regards to Paterno, he did what he was legally required to do. The incident in question occured in his place of employment and he immediately reported it to his supervisor (the Athletic Director). That said, it does seem odd that he wouldn’t have followed up on the issue after nothing of significance happened to Sandusky and he continued to be seen around young boys. </p>
<p>I also find the statement by the university’s president to be very odd. The Grand Jury report does not implicate him in any wrongdoing, but there are going to be an awful lot of people wanting to know exactly what he knew and when. </p>
<p>I can’t imagine the alumni are terribly happy about all this right now and if the alumni remain unhappy then it’s usually only a matter of time before the house gets cleaned out.</p>
<p>
</p>
<p>From the article linked above:</p>
<p>
</p>
<p>He certainly should NOT be saying this :</p>
<p>“I wish to say that Tim Curley and Gary Schultz have my unconditional support,” Penn State President Graham Spanier said in a statement, which an athletic department official said would be the school’s only comment on the matter. “I have known and worked daily with Tim and Gary for more than 16 years. I have complete confidence in how they have handled the allegations about a former University employee.” </p>
<p>How about: let’s wait and see, let’s wait for the legal process, etc.</p>
<p>I agree everyone should wait for the entire legal process.</p>
<p>A question was asked above: “Since Schultz (the VP) is in charge of the police I wonder if that is enough to meet the requirement that in sex abuse cases the police must be notified?” </p>
<p>Answer: Definitely no. Schultz was the top administrator who controlled many departments, including the police. However, a complaint must be filed with a police officer or detective, so that a sworn officer or prosecutor can decide whether criminal charges are justified. An administrator’s job is to oversee the department, not to make decisions regarding criminal wrong-doing.</p>
<p>
</p>
<p>I guess when you’re the president of a Big 10 school whose football program is 8-1, you figure you can get away with whatever outrageous statement you want to make.</p>
<p>Some of the most recent press reports indicate that the lawyers for the two administrators will try to have the ‘failure to report’ charges thrown out on technicalities–suggesting that the law did not apply to individuals in their particular position. </p>
<p>Regardless, the ‘failure to report’ was the lesser of the two charges and is only a summary offense. </p>
<p>The most serious charge handed down by the Grand Jury was a felony for perjury. </p>
<p>The report states that the Grand Jury found both administrators to have made materially false statements under oath in regards to exactly what they knew about the 2002 incident.</p>