<p>Sandusky showering with a boy was not new unfortunately. Presumably he was fired/retired because of it. I don’t know if Paterno has anything to do with Sandusky’s charity. Unless he does, Sandusky is not his man. So he refers the case to whom it belongs.</p>
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<p>Clearly, the damage that is done to boys will depend on the details, don’t you think? I think we are just mad this happened and want a revenge as big as the damage. Getting a few unknown administrators axed is not enough. And I agree it’s not. But I think it is one of those in life you can’t get even. Taking down a big name unles he is really implicated in the coverup is not going to help and plain stupid.</p>
<p>“Sandusky showering with a boy was not new unfortunately. Presumably he was fired/retired because of it. I don’t know if Paterno has anything to do with Sandusky’s charity. Unless he does, Sandusky is not his man. So he refers the case to whom it belongs.”</p>
<p>Correct. And that is why he is in the situation he is in right now.</p>
<p>And remember there is a discrepancy as to what was said at the 2002 weekend meeting. GA states he was specific.</p>
<p>And GA’s going to request a weekend meeting at Paterno’s home and not be specific?</p>
<p>I have not been keeping up on this but I have one question: How did the grad student witness the shower incident and not intervene? Has he answered that question?</p>
<p>^ Not that I am aware. He was 28 years old and an ex-player.</p>
<p>There’s obviously a lot of resistance to confront/acknowledge/deal with this type of thing, as evidenced from this thread. Easier to turn a blind eye. At least he did something.</p>
<p>So, if you heard you neighbor had been seen molesting possibly raping little boy, you would do what. I’m amazed those who think turning a blind eye is just fine. This scum Sandusky had easy access to little boys and henwas given the air of trustworthiness by the very fact he was allowed an office on campus, had access to the football program to impress his victims, and there were several so called men who knew he had at least molested at a minimum one little boy and they did what for years and years and years.</p>
<p>If any of you had a soccer coach who molested your child and found out other coaches had a clue and just reported to a boss then did nothing and in fact lauded this coach as a great person and created an environment that seemed safe, well, inthik you would be singing a different tune</p>
<p>While I am not certain what could be gained from firing Paterno (or have his head on a pitchfork) I find the “end of the year” resignation distasteful. It is obvious that Penn State has not relied on Paterno extensive coaching for a long time. Other coaches could have finished the season. </p>
<p>He should have been “asked” to resign immediately, and be allowed to speak freely on his own terms without speaking for the school. </p>
<p>By the way, the show of support by students is equally distasteful. He should have made arrangements to have the crowd dispersed. It is one thing for teenagers to make bad decision, and another for a 84 year to fail to understand that this demonstration was ill-timed. </p>
<p>But then, the world of football at the college level is entirely parallel to ours , if there was ever one.</p>
<p>Ohiomom, I don’t how he could request a meeting and not be specific. But then, I don’t know how he could stumble upon this and not intervene. For whatever reason, it was a difficult thing to do accusing someone revered of an unspeakable crime.</p>
<p>Some are raising the question that maybe the GA didn’t actually tell Paterno that he witnessed anal sex. Does that really make a difference? Paterno testified that the GA was “very upset” and he reported to Curley that the GA had seen Sandusky in the shower “fondling” or “doing something of a sexual nature” to a young boy.</p>
<p>Fondling of a young boy in a Penn State facility shower wasn’t enough for Paterno to see this through? He let Sandusky bring boys to Penn State for another decade?
…and some people believe Paterno did enough by just calling the AD?..Really?</p>
<p>Did he somehow forget what the GA told him?</p>
<p>Here is the exact Grand Jury report. To be clear, a Grand Jury report is not a prosecutor’s statement; it is a finding by an empaneled group of citizens who hear evidence. The quote below makes that explicit.</p>
<p>"The next morning the graduate assistant telephoned Paterno and went to Paterno’s home WHERE HE REPORTED WHAT HE HAD SEEN. </p>
<p>Joseph V. Paterno testified to receiving the graduate assistant’s report at his home on a Saturday morning. Paterno called Tim Curley, Penn State Athletic Director and Paterno’s immediate superior, to his home the next day, a Sunday, and reported to him that the graduate assistant had seen Jerry Sandusky fondling or doing something of a sexual nature to a young boy."</p>
<p>Legally, what this says is that the graduate assistant told Paterno he saw a boy, estimated age of 10, being anally raped in the shower. There isn’t doubt about this: the Grand Jury report says the graduate assistant told Paterno “what he had seen.” You can’t defend Paterno based on the idea that maybe he wasn’t told what was happening. </p>
<p>Second point, Paterno testifies he told his boss something other than what the graduate assistant saw. He is, per his own testimony, not specific about it being anal rape of a 10 year old. </p>
<p>The point that keeps reverberating in my conscience is that Paterno knew this and let Sandusky have an office in the football department until a few weeks ago when this story came out. He knew he raped a boy and let him in there. He also remained friends with Sandusky and is even today listed as a board member of Sandusky’s charity.</p>
<p>There is no moral defense for this man.</p>
<p>Then add this: Paterno testified before the Grand Jury and still let Sandusky in the Penn State football offices. He testified he knew what was happening and remained friends, remained on his charity’s board even when he knew a Grand Jury was sitting and hearing testimony about this man being a child rapist.</p>
<p>@Iglooo I agree. I don’t know why he didn’t intervene at the time. I understand it is difficult. At least he stepped up at one point. However, I also do not know why, when there was no follow-up, nothing further was done, either, by GA or Paterno. Not worth upsetting the apple cart?</p>
<p>The police knew the first showering together incident. Nothing came out of it. Are you saying Paterno should be the town’s police commissioner as well as the coach of a university?</p>
<p>OhioMom - Follow-up would have been nice now that we all know it was anal sex that was going on. If Paterno thought it was a repeat of the shower together incident for which nothing was done previously, he was not totally out of place to pass the buck. We pick our battles. I almost always give up on fighting bureaucrats.</p>
<p>If Paterno has announced he’s retiring at the end of the season, do you think that would have been dictated by the trustees or is it still possible they will decide to force him out sooner?</p>
<p>Yes i am saying exactly that. Penn was his town and he knowingly let a child molester usenoffice and parade kids around. And create an air of respectability around Sandusky. If my husband knew one of his friends had done that he wouldnt have anything to with that person at the very minimum. Embracing sandusky as he did was tantamount to condoning the behavior and in fact giving shelter and a cover for it. Mthey should all be ashamed.</p>
<p>Barrons makes a good point. A player would be summarily suspended, notwithstanding any heretofore admiration for “high” character. And I agree, the Big Ten Conference needs to look at this situation, not necessarily the NCAA. The NCAA’s perview is on-field competition, whereas IMHO the conference has a broader obligation to review issues that may be peripheral to actual athletic competition. The point is that alleged crimes took place at PSU facilities.</p>
<p>I think Paterno and Spanier should be suspended until further investigation. </p>
<p>xiggi’s post: “By the way, the show of support by students is equally distasteful. He should have made arrangements to have the crowd dispersed. It is one thing for teenagers to make bad decision, and another for a 84 year to fail to understand that this demonstration was ill-timed.” Agree 100%.</p>
<p>^^^ That’s part of what I find fascinating about this case. Does he/do others really not get how horrible this is and how it looks outside of Happy Valley? I hope I never have such blinders about an institution.</p>