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<p>Stunning. Absolutely stunning. An utter, bald-faced lie. And a lie Spanier had to know would be uncovered eventually, given how many people knew it was a lie.</p>
<p>The latest CNN story says some legal experts are saying Spanier may be indicted now, tho they don’t say for what. If the emails are authenticated, would this rise to obstruction of justice?</p>
<p>I know. It’s really sickening. I mean, I always suspected this exact thing, but to have proof that these men in charge flat-out lied with a straight face and allowed this kind of abuse to continue, to sacrifice the lives of all these children … it’s disgusting. </p>
<p>I have to step away from this thread.</p>
<p>Janesmith–I know, what did they think was going to happen when the emails surfaced?</p>
<p>but notice Spanier’s language, “predatory act”, “crime” – his defense will return to, “we didn’t know what happened” McQueary was vague, etc. I imagine there will be more to be revealed, with others talking re: the decision to fire Sandusky, the financial deals Paterno had with Second Mile.</p>
<p>“Everything we saw in this trial could have been stopped by Penn State,” Kline told CNN.
“This is an American tragedy of monumental proportions.”</p>
<p>Spaniers press statement immediately after the grand jury indictments:
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<p>I would like to know if the emails were during the 10 day period between Curley and Schultz going to Paternos home and when they actually interviewed McQ. Seems now they spent that 10 day period worrying about Sandusky, PSUs image and themselves certainly not Sanduskys victims.</p>
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<p>You’re probably right that they’ll try that defense–although wouldn’t they be well advised to cop a plea?</p>
<p>OTOH the emails show that the initial reaction was to report the behavior to Second Mile and Child Protective Services–so at the beginning they apparently felt it rose to the level of requiring a report. Only after “thinking about it some more” and talking to Paterno, did they change their minds and not report it at all. Though even then they still worried about their liability for not reporting.</p>
<p>So the decision was–talk to Sandusky, tell him to stop, and everything would be A-OK. But then what did they think when they STILL saw Sandusky running around with young boys???</p>
<p>^“Only after “thinking about it some more” and talking to Paterno, did they change their minds and not report it at all.”</p>
<p>Here’s the key to everything. Paterno did not want it reported—thus, it didn’t get reported.
As I’ve said all along, whatever Paterno wanted, Paterno got. He “owned” Penn State. He had the power at Penn State. No one was above him.</p>
<p>They were all playing God, these administrators. As if they knew best. If Sandusky is “cooperative”? What does that mean? If he keeps quiet and abuses young boys without anyone finding out? I guess he was cooperative for a while, about a decade. They were protecting their little gold mine. Despicable.</p>
<p>None of them should ever work in education again, including Spanier. All should have known better.</p>
<p>“Humane”? They have no conception of the word.</p>
<p>“Shortly after his dismissal, Spanier issued a statement that said, in part, ‘I was stunned and outraged to learn that any predatory act might have occurred in a university facility or by someone associated with the university. … I would never hesitate to report a crime if I had any suspicion that one had been committed.’”</p>
<p>Joke! Guess he forgot about the emails.</p>
<p>Yup, the claim that Joepa was just a little cog at PSU is now in the trash bin along with his name and legacy. Really a true tragedy.</p>
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<p>As far as Spanier and Curley were concerned, the problem with the McQueary incident was that McQueary saw it. Not that it happened, but that it was witnessed and reported. No one else ever came forward to report anything, so – no more problems!</p>
<p>In turn, the only way that THAT thought process makes sense is if you don’t care about Sandusky’s victims at all. Literally – at all. Not one little iota. Not one jot, not one tittle. </p>
<p>The victims don’t exist. The university exists. The program exists. The university’s image exists. The legal question exists. Sandusky’s feelings exist. Second Mile exists. But the victims? They needn’t even be thought about, not even in passing, not even to be considered and then dismissed. They’re just… not there.</p>
<p>these children, these young boys, were literally collateral damage to these men, collateral damage to the running of PSU. Not one word about the children. Utterly disgraceful…</p>
<p>Can the victims sue PSU administrators directly, can they actually sue Curley, Schultz and Spanier, oh and Paterno’s estate, or would they only sue PSU as an institution? </p>
<p>and this may be why they felt so confident lying, believing noone would ever see those emails;
According to Spanier’s lawsuit, when Spanier, Paterno and other high-ranking administrators appeared before the state grand jury investigating Sandusky last year, everyone thought a new email system installed at Penn State in 2004 had eliminated emails prior to that time.</p>
<p>Oops ;)</p>
<p>Seems Spanier is now in a position to protect all of us,
“For the next several months, as I transition to my post-presidential plans, I will be working on a special project for the U.S. government relating national security. This builds on my prior positions working with federal agencies to foster improved cooperation between our nation’s national security agencies and other entities,” Spanier said in an Email.</p>
<p>I am sickened. I hope he is indicted on obstruction of justice and loses this job. How is it possible he was being investigated and secured this position with the Federal government??</p>
<p>I hope he’s indicted for child endangerment also.</p>
<p>These people are (and were) all completely repulsive. They didn’t give a damn for the victims. </p>
<p>I do hope that some of the people who’ve been persistently defending the others besides Sandusky for the last 5000+ posts are finally prepared to back off a little bit.</p>
<p>^^^ Donna, I agree</p>
<p>[Jerry</a> Sandusky and Gary Schultz continue to receive generous Penn State pensions | PennLive.com](<a href=“http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/jerry_sandusky_continues_to_re.html]Jerry”>Jerry Sandusky and Gary Schultz continue to receive generous Penn State pensions - pennlive.com)
When Schultz and Curley were indicted last fall PSU was paying their legal fees . Is that still the case?</p>
<p>When I read Curley’s comment that
I initially thought he was referring to the boy being abused. That wouldn’t have been the proper way to deal with it, but at least it would have shown some attempt to find out what really happened.</p>
<p>But apparently boys didn’t count as persons in the Penn State showers.</p>
<p>I’m not going to come down too hard on most of the posters who were more supportive than most of us. After all, we didn’t have any proof. We really were going on gut instinct that proved to be correct.</p>
<p>“Seems Spanier is now in a position to protect all of us,
‘For the next several months, as I transition to my post-presidential plans, I will be working on a special project for the U.S. government relating national security. This builds on my prior positions working with federal agencies to foster improved cooperation between our nation’s national security agencies and other entities,’ Spanier said in an Email.”</p>
<p>If Spanier is hired by the US gov for a “special project” involving “security” that would be a mockery! I hope that among those he would be “protecting” are not vulnerable young boys. He’s not qualified to provide anyone with security, sorry.</p>
<p>People are entitled to their opinions. But, it was more than gut instinct when it came to forming conclusions about this case. Actions told the story before emails were revealed. It was a matter of connecting the dots.</p>
<p>As ohiomom says their actions or lack there of were proof of some sort of coverup. </p>
<p>Does anyone still think they weren’t aware what happened in that shower?</p>
<p>[Joe</a> Paterno’s role in covering up Jerry Sandusky’s child molestations grows as evidence is leaked - Yahoo! Sports](<a href=“Joe Paterno's role in covering up Jerry Sandusky's child molestations grows as evidence is leaked”>Joe Paterno's role in covering up Jerry Sandusky's child molestations grows as evidence is leaked)</p>
<p>I think there’s more. I still would want to see JoePa and Sandusky’s financial records.</p>
<p>They’ve GOT to melt down the statue.</p>
<p>Donna, one person on this thread has done a 180 since the emails leaked. I’m very impressed.</p>
<p>You think they were receiving direct payments, mini? From who? I’m not willing to go there, because as long as Paterno kept the Penn State football machine humming he had all the money and prestige he needed.</p>