<p>3togo and LasMa, thanks for your explanations of NCAA considerations.</p>
<p>xiggi, Earl Campbell was my classmate, and I was a fan of Andrew’s dad. ;)</p>
<p>Those men put their reputations and their jobs in the hands of a pedophile who they must have known would continue his evil practices. Surely, it was only a matter of time before what happened occurred–someone would call the cops/CPS on Sandusky and the whole sordid cover up would come to light. I’m only surprised that it took so long.</p>
<p>ellemenope, these men must have developed a sense of complacency about the evil things they were doing. And they did get away with it for many years, I think they must have believed they’d get away with it forever. Kind of ironic that in all their consultations and arrangements, the one thing they apparently never considered was that a victim might come forward. But again, not surprising. They never considered the victims.</p>
<p>Paterno’s legacy may now be damaged beyond repair</p>
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<p>[Paterno’s</a> legacy may now be damaged beyond repair - Yahoo! News](<a href=“http://news.yahoo.com/paternos-legacy-may-now-damaged-beyond-repair-214735720--spt.html]Paterno’s”>http://news.yahoo.com/paternos-legacy-may-now-damaged-beyond-repair-214735720--spt.html)</p>
<p>Joepa’s statue most likely will be melted… lol</p>
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<p>[Freeh</a> Report: Penn State violated the Clery Act | <a href=“http://www.wjactv.com%5B/url%5D”>www.wjactv.com](<a href=“http://www.wjactv.com/news/news/freeh-report-penn-state-violated-clery-act/nPsB5/]Freeh”>http://www.wjactv.com/news/news/freeh-report-penn-state-violated-clery-act/nPsB5/)</a></p>
<p>Penn State Concealed Sex Abuse, Report Says </p>
<p><a href=“http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303740704577522603440183734.html[/url]”>http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303740704577522603440183734.html</a></p>
<p>It’s truly a sad day for Penn Staters. Most likely than not, it will mean death to its football program for awhile… :(</p>
<p>Freeh: “Most powerful men at PSU” failed (CNN)</p>
<p>Video Clip: [Freeh:</a> “Most powerful men at PSU” failed - YouTube](<a href=“Freeh: "Most powerful men at PSU" failed - YouTube”>Freeh: "Most powerful men at PSU" failed - YouTube)</p>
<p>Penn State football deserves 2-year banishment (Chicago Tribune)</p>
<p>[Joe</a> Paterno: Penn State football deserves two-year NCAA banishment - chicagotribune.com](<a href=“http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/columnists/ct-spt-0713-haugh-penn-state--20120713,0,3307712.column]Joe”>http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/columnists/ct-spt-0713-haugh-penn-state--20120713,0,3307712.column)</p>
<p>In Report, Failures Throughout Penn State (New York Times)</p>
<p><a href=“In Freeh Report on Sandusky, Failures Throughout Penn State - The New York Times”>In Freeh Report on Sandusky, Failures Throughout Penn State - The New York Times;
<p>Freeh report fallout is only beginning, at Penn State and elsewhere (The Washington Post)</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/freeh-report-fallout-is-only-beginning-at-penn-state-and-elsewhere/2012/07/12/gJQA3MYcgW_story.html[/url]”>http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/freeh-report-fallout-is-only-beginning-at-penn-state-and-elsewhere/2012/07/12/gJQA3MYcgW_story.html</a></p>
<p>PSU Responds To Freeh Report (Video Clip)</p>
<p><a href=“- YouTube”>- YouTube;
<p>Penn State Students, Alumni Wary of the Report (Video Clip)</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-freeh-report-civil-litigation-20120712,0,7058135.story[/url]”>http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-freeh-report-civil-litigation-20120712,0,7058135.story</a></p>
<p>Frankly, I am just shocked and dumbfounded to say the least, the fact that after all that’s been said and exposed, many of the Penn Staters seem still do not realize the severity of the scandal… Sigh.</p>
<p>Here’s Delany’s full statement:</p>
<pre><code>"The Big Ten Conference continues to monitor the investigative and adjudicatory processes associated with the Penn State matter and is prepared to review the report scheduled to be released on Thursday by Judge Louis Freeh and his law firm, Freeh Sporkin & Sullivan, LLP.
"As we have said from the beginning, the conference will reserve judgment until all information surrounding the various proceedings is made available. Various federal, state and other investigations, including the grand jury investigation, are still ongoing, certain criminal trials have yet to begin, and key principals have yet to testify.
“The unprecedented nature of these circumstances requires a prudent, thoughtful and patient review. Until the record is complete and has been thoroughly reviewed by our Presidents and Chancellors, we do not anticipate commenting further.”
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<p>This is certainly “MORE” than just Penn State’s football program. It’s all about the innocent victims!!! With that being said, I would not be surprised that when it’s all said and done, PSU’s B10 membership would be replaced by either Notre Dame or Rutgers. Personally, I prefer reinstating Chicago’s football team. That’s all…</p>
<p>As I understand it, the “death penalty” also doesn’t apply because it is only for <em>repeat</em> offenses . Obviously, there’s a repeat offense in repeatedly choosing to cover up this stuff, but the NCAA rule requires that the program has already been sanctioned or discplined by the NCAA. This is a rule that simply doesn’t apply, as such. Will the NCAA find another way to bench PSU football? Not until they talk behind closed doors with the rest of the Big 10 teams, who don’t want to lose the revenue. It’s a package deal for the networks, and the “risk” for the Big 10 is that if they bail/remove PSU from the package, the networks will renegotiate for a profoundly lesser sum. Not pretty, but that’s US economics. </p>
<p>I’m sure the NCAA will create a rule to apply here. They are a bunch of hacks if they just claim it isn’t literally a football violation.</p>
<p>I agree that the NCAA needs to do something that makes a statement. Beyond the unforgivable covering up of the abuse of children, let’s not forget the memo that was uncovered from the administrator who complained that Paterno was prohibiting the campus police from dealing with players’ violations of law. So his reputation for having well-behaved players is called into question as well as the behavior of his coaches. Nothing about the program was what it appeared to be.</p>
<p>[Penn</a> State Freeh Report should be lesson for college football - Stewart Mandel - SI.com](<a href=“http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/stewart_mandel/07/12/penn-state-freeh-report-joe-paterno-football/index.html?hpt=hp_c2]Penn”>http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/stewart_mandel/07/12/penn-state-freeh-report-joe-paterno-football/index.html?hpt=hp_c2)</p>
<p>[Penn</a> State report: Where football rules, morality loses - latimes.com](<a href=“http://www.latimes.com/sports/college/football/la-sp-0713-plaschke-paterno-20120713,0,1802708.column]Penn”>Penn State report: Where football rules, morality loses)</p>
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<p>I don’t think the statue should be removed, the library renamed, or even Sandusky’s name removed from anything. I think a big Arrow should point to a big plaque that clearly includes this entire horror should be there for all to see, and be a warning for all. Just making the names disppear will make this a much vaguer memory in the future. To have what happened etched in stone would make it forever there for everyone to read and have to remember.</p>
<p>Who is going to pay for all the retribution that is going to happen here? As a public school, the overflow costs will be hitting the state hard, and it has been cutting support to the university as it is. Penn State is not one of the more generous schools in terms of financial aid; it’s down right stingy (except for it athletes) One of the cash cows that it does have is the football program. I think every cent of the money from that program should be going to help ensure that compliance to rules in place to put a stop to these things, is in order. And I don’t mean a slap on the hand type fine. Like all the money raised and more.</p>
<p>Penn State: Donations 2nd highest in school history
Jul 9, 2012</p>
<p>University received $208 million despite the Jerry Sandusky scandal </p>
<p>[Penn</a> State: Donations 2nd highest in school history - US news - Giving - msnbc.com](<a href=“http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/48126906/ns/us_news-giving/]Penn”>http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/48126906/ns/us_news-giving/)</p>
<p>Penn State certainly timed the release of this announcement only days before the damaging Freeh’s Report to the public. Hopefully all the donations will go directly to the victims and families of this tragedy.</p>
<p>“In reading PennLive news reports, people are convinced Sandusky had something on Joe Paterno, something big enough to silence him and give Sandusky free reign to do what he did. Grade fixing, recruiting violations? Sounds quite plausible.”</p>
<p>This is certainly possible especially considering Paterno’s players graduation rates, which he is known for. He persuaded Spanier, Schultz and Curley not to go through with the original plan using an argument we do not know other than to be “humane” and with motivation we can surmise, but will never know for sure. It could have been to protect PSU football or it could have been to protect himself if indeed Sandusky had some dirt on his practices. Just speculation, but it is possible and would answer why a man who preached character would protect a pedophile. Some think the motivation to do that had to be bigger even Paterno’s eyes than football. Protecting his own butt would have been.</p>
<p>It seems to me that there would be some evidence of that if it were the case. They left such a sloppy paper trail of all their misdeeds. I just imagine one of them would have said something in an email making reference to it. Not the brightest bunch.</p>
<p>One thing I don’t understand is why does Paterno still have any defenders left among the Penn State boosters? They loved Paterno the most. They invested the most in honoring, praising, and enriching him. And except for the child victims who were incredibly betrayed, he betrayed them the most. Why aren’t they the most outraged?</p>
<p>Coureur, I think it’s because we need to go through the grieving process. I’m not even a Paterno worshipper, nor do I follow football, but because I am married to an avid Penn State fan, and live in Penn State Land, I had a great deal of respect for Paterno. Notice the use of the past tense.</p>
<p>By reading this thread for the past few weeks, I’ve had some time to gradually come to terms with Paterno’s shortcomings, but I’m not outraged. I’m annoyed that Paterno didn’t do what was necessary to stop Sandusky way back in the last century. I’m disappointed that he lied. </p>
<p>I have to come to terms with viewing Paterno as a much different man than I thought he was. The fact that the front page of our local paper used the headline, “Paterno’s legacy now lies in ruins” helps.</p>
<p>I guess you could say that I’m in shock. I think many of you who are calling for the meltdown were haters of Penn State before this even became an issue. I could be wrong. But I think if this had happened at another big 10 school, I would just be following the story, but I wouldn’t be so outraged that I would be calling for the death penalty. Again, I’m not a football fan.</p>
<p>So please understand that you need to give us some time to work through this.</p>
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I think you might be – remember, Paterno allowed Sandusky to sexually assault little boys for years. That IS outrageous.</p>
<p>I am not and never was a PSU hater. In fact, my son was accepted to University Park and with a decent scholarship. He chose, for reasons having nothing to do with PSU, to go elsewhere. So I always held PSU with fondness in my thoughts.</p>
<p>Penn State will be paying quite a bit to the victims, their families, their attorneys and to even more victims that will be stepping up. Look at what has happened with the Catholic church. So they will pay, and pay plenty for this. How does one even put a dollar figure on it?</p>
<p>They also need to put a lot of money into programs and safeguards to make sure this sort of thing does not happen again. Also, I truly believe that there should be a purge of those who were present and let this thing happen. It should be made very clear, that this is not tolerated and even residual responsibility means that you are out of there. </p>
<p>Those on trial are entitled to a fair hearing, and deserve a chance to explain and deny what is in the report. I think Spanier and some others at the university should also be charged, given what has surfaced. They need to explain to the court and to all what the heck happened here and how they justified it, if there is any justification at all. </p>
<p>To me, the saddest thing about ALL of this, is how clearly those children did not matter. No one went to find out what happened to those boys. No one talked to them, followed up on them, nothing. That is the most appalling thing of all. It is entirely possible that those boys would have refused to say anything to allow the university or police to take any legal actions, but they were not even approached. They could have been killed and buried for all the officials knew. </p>
<p>There is a lot I don’t understand about this. Why were these people paying ANYTHING to Sandusky and letting him use the university resources? It’s not as though he was some rich baron dispensing the money. It’s as though he was blackmailing them. </p>
<p>Mini, perhaps send me a PM–you keep saying “follow the money” here and I truly am at loss as to how this was flowing right TO Sandusky and his causes. He was told he was not going to be head coach, so that should have been the short farewell right then and there. Sometimes one simply does not have enough proof to make certain serious accusations, but if you suspect something like THIS, you don’t continue supporting the guy, You don’t want him on your staff, why allow him on your facilities? None of this makes any sense to me. </p>
<p>I think Penn State and particularly its athletic facilites, and anything in the name of any of thos involved should have to have a big announcement prominently displayed explaining this shame and disregard for children’s safety for posterity. I’d like to see a some statues of children playing, throwing a footbal, and just running and laughing decorating the grounds in various areas, with an explanatory plaque on how these little ones were totally disregarded and abused in this horrible chapter of Penn State’s child molestation. </p>
<p>Joe Paterno’s accomplishments are real and well known. Now a whole other side of what was ignored and covered up due to tunnel vision and focus on his personal priorities should be put right out there. I don’t think just scrapping it all is the answer.</p>
<p>When will Spanier,Schultz,et al be charged with crimes of covering up the abuse…This is no differnent then Monsignor Lynn of the Philly archdiocese found quilty of not protecting children form abuse by others and cover up</p>