<p>Penn State is not a thing, it’s a community of people north of 50,000 people on the discussed campus between the staff and the students</p>
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<p>The athletes would still need trainers, access to the facilities, probably some sort of coaches, etc. and who knows what to keep in shape enough to transition to another college and another team the next year. They can’t really just “sit it out”. If you’ve got to keep top 100 athletes in shape you might as well run the program. The brokering of all that would be phenomenal…to take each member of the team and to match them with a college of equal academic value as well as competition value. Whew…I can’t see anyone wanting to touch that one with a 10 foot pole. Most problematic would be the seniors and juniors because all the credits would need to transfer and you’d have to find schools that have the programs or room in the programs. For example Kinesiology is one of the most difficult colleges at UofM to get into and a favorite for athletes and pre-med. They might not have room in their program for 10 kids from Penn State in the program, let alone on the football field. I don’t know seahorse…you’d have to be a brilliant negotiator to thread your way through that one between the Div. 1 schools admissions groups and administration, the NCAA, the academic programs at the Div. 1 schools and the 100 kids on the roster who by the way are most likely already in Pennsylvania and practicing since late June.</p>
<p>And if one of your your three boys had been a victim? These re adults who are in college. Playing football is not a right. It’s a privilege, and many students get through school without playing a sport. And if they indeed an amazingplayer another school will scoop them up.</p>
<p>All this talk about logistics, and negotiations is a straw horse. Boys were raped. Boys were damaged so some people could watch football and cheer on paterno and Penn state. </p>
<p>Gollly gee, imagine going to college and not playing a sport? The horror</p>
<p>And gosh maybe redirect some of this football must stay at all costs energy and put toward programs for football playing students.</p>
<p>Again, if your son was raped by Sandusky and then paterno and the president gave him a fancy title and paterno let your sons rapistarade other victims all over campus using Penn state football as a lure, you’d be okay with no consequences?</p>
<p>On a somewhat related note, I have a friend who was supposed to swim in the '80 Moscow Olympics, something she had trained for practically her whole life. She didn’t get to because of the boycott. She got over it. Many these men never will.</p>
<p>Why on earth would you think I don’t think there should be consequences? I think there are problems with administration and the BOD and I think there should be complete change of leaderships and I’ve said that more than once. There may very well be consequences far beyond our understanding as the criminal trials and legals have barely begun. Your statement doesn’t make any sense on any level to me.</p>
<p>As long as Penn State is dependent on football, it’s hard to imagine things changing significantly. It’s like a drug addict: to feed the habit, everyone becomes an enabler. </p>
<p>Once they are no longer dependent, then they can consider bringing it back.</p>
<p>^^ the only really bad outcome of all of this is the only way they will be able to run any athletic programs at PSU is to raise tuition for everyone as I believe PSU was one of the big football schools that had huge revenue. There are so many, many negative consequences for future students and the faculty and employees no matter what the BOD and the court decide. Just no upside to any of this because the the actions of a few corrupt people -</p>
<p>Momof3–let me try to put it this way–those people you want to pay consequences might be the “criminals” (some actually, some ethically), but Penn State football is the ill-gotten gains, which is now in the hands of people (students, alum, players, etc) who did not commit the crime, but have the loot in their possession. It was acquired in a tainted way; therefore, even if they aren’t the ones who paid for it with stolen valuables (the boys who were attacked), it should be given up. Just like, to continue the metaphor used above, when someone goes to jail for embezzlement, their family doesn’t get to keep the loot–or keep things which were paid for with stolen funds.</p>
<p>The “few corrupt people” are the proximate cause but the culture is the fundamental cause of Penn State’s current problems. Read about how Triponey was treated. Read about how crimes by football players were kept under wraps. (Of course, not all were hidden, as can be seen by the arrest rate for players.) This is not just about three or four people.</p>
<p>Not to defend the culture, but take Triponey out of the discussion. That relationship/situation was virulent on both sides of the equation.</p>
<p>I think one problem some are having is seeing that the “loot” includes support for the other athletic programs. Penn State has won far more NCAA fencing championships and women’s volleyball championships than football. It is hard to see those athletes (including some current and potentially future olympians) punished for something that seems unrelated or, at least, far removed from their hard work and dedication.</p>
<p>Serious moral imbalance. Shut down football for 5 years. For the players on scholarship, give them a choice. They can be released from their obligation and are free to go to another school. For the players who want to stay, they keep the scholarship and can stay at the school for the same $s as if they were playing football.</p>
<p>This is the wisest thing that’s been said so far. Penn State had, and has, an unhealthy attachment to the program. If it didn’t, this tragedy couldn’t have happened.</p>
<p>A “legendary baseball statistician” explains that Paterno isn’t to blame for Sandusky running about unfettered and unchallenged . . . the real culprit is THE MEDIA!</p>
<p>Yes, the media . . .who, according to this guy (James) “created this smokescreen behind which Sandusky operated and then they’re trying to blame Paterno for the fact that they were covering up for Sandusky.” He believes Paterno should be “absolved of all blame.”</p>
I dislike this kind of argument. It’s really an ad hominem argument that denigrates others’ opinions. If Joe Paterno were your grandfather, would you feel differently about this whole case? Since I’m neither the relative of a victim or of Paterno, I’ll form my opinions based on my own ideas about the case, as I suspect you believe you did.</p>
<p>re: post 6029-
Dear family of Joe Paterno, please call him dad, or “our father”. Calling him by his given name is STILL creepy, and really makes me question your actual belief in “Joe Paterno”.</p>
<p>I’ve seen student athletes have transfers worked out within a week. If they’re good, they’ll probably be able to be elsewhere by the fall semester. Possibly even playing – I imagine that the NCAA might grant a hardship waiver for the normal year that transfers spend sitting out if the program was eliminated. Some of them may have seen the writing on the wall or decided that they didn’t want to be a part of this program and are already thinking in that direction.</p>
<p>If they want to continue playing, they really don’t need to stay at PSU for a year. Good D1 athletes transferring is nothing like the normal transfer process.</p>
<p>Keep in mind, though, that only about 10 football programs in the country turn a profit. yet they somehow persevere, as do the schools that support them. Lots of other schoosl have non-revenue generating sports, and somehow support them without a rich football program. It shoudln’t be the death of other sports to cut football for a while. In fact, in most big U’s, football drains the budget, yet somehow they soldier on. I’m sure PSU could also figure this out.</p>