Penn State Sandusky scandal

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<p>This is far too narrow and technical a reading of what the NCAA has authority to do, based probably on wishful thinking. The most serious charge in the NCAA book is “lack of institutional control.” This is, of course, vague, but when you have a runaway football program that places itself above the law and knowingly harbors a pedophile, allowing him to continue to prey on young boys using the pedophile’s long and very public and ongoing association with Penn State football and access to Penn State players, coaches, and facilities as his lure to groom his victims, I don’t think many people would have difficulty concluding this crosses the line into “lack of institutional control.” Not that Joe Paterno didn’t have control; he had total control, that was part of the problem, but the institution lacked control over him and his football program and allowed him to cross the line into what with hindsight looks an awful lot like a criminal conspiracy, dragging other key Penn State personnel into that moral morass alongside him. So I don’t think the NCAA would have the least difficulty determining there was “lack of institutional control,” the most serious NCAA offense. And in fact, the NCAA has already sent a letter to Penn State, basically asking it to explain why the mess there shouldn’t be considered “lack of institutional control.” That was also the tenor of the NCAA President’s remarks in recent interviews. Having gone down that road, I think the NCAA will now find it extremely difficult NOT to conclude there was lack of institutional control in the Penn State football program.</p>

<p>So then the question becomes, what is the punishment that best fits the offense, given that the NCAA President has already said, in so many words, that this is the worst offense the NCAA has ever been confronted with? The ultimate sanction, I suppose, would be expulsion from the NCAA. That would leave Penn State no one to play with. I don’t think that will happen. The next most severe sanction would be the so-called “death penalty,” a silly name because it’s really just a suspension for one or more seasons; it doesn’t have anywhere near the same finality as death. That’s what SMU got (a one-year “death penalty,” only to rise Lazarus-like after a year) for rampant recruiting violations. I think most people, including apparently NCAA President Mark Emmert (judging by his recent comments), would think the Penn State scandal far worse than a bunch of recruiting violations. Short of the “death penalty,” the NCAA could prohibit Penn State television appearances, banish them from bowl games, and limit their football scholarships for a period of years. But these latter sanctions would look like a mild slap on the wrist, inappropriate to the truly horrific things that happened at Penn State. So I’m beginning to think the “death penalty” is the likeliest outcome–either imposed by the NCAA, or self-imposed by Penn State with the NCAA’s blessing.</p>

<p>Of course I could be wrong. NCAA sanctions are highly unpredictable, and I’ve often been surprised by the light sanctions they sometimes impose for what seem to me to be serious offenses, and the heavy sanctions they impose in other cases for what seem to me to be trivial offenses. </p>

<p>Working in Penn State football’s favor here is money. Penn State isn’t the only party that would be hurt financially. The entire Big Ten Conference would take a financial hit. So would the television networks that broadcast Penn State and Big Ten games. Penn State’s non-conference opponents would probably be OK financially, because Penn State would probably need to pay their guarantee for cancelled games scheduled to be played at Penn State, and would probably be required to pay pretty stiff penalties for pulling out of away games. It might create scheduling difficulties for those teams, leaving a hole in their non-conference schedules, but financially they should be no worse off (unless they signed really stupid contracts). But you’d hear a lot of howls from other Big Ten schools, and maybe even some growling about kicking Penn State out of the conference, though I doubt that would go anywhere because the Pennsylvania market is so big, and it even extends into NJ, territory the conference covets. </p>

<p>My prediction, for what it’s worth: one-year “death penalty,” followed by 2 or 3 years of no bowl games, no television appearances, and restrictions on football scholarships. That would leave Penn State football in a pretty deep hole for the better part of a decade. Anything less that that would leave the impression that the NCAA doesn’t take what happened at Penn State seriously, and I think they want to avoid that impression.</p>

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<p>The question of which season is canceled is separate from the question of whether they get the “death penalty.” Emmert made it clear the NCAA isn’t going to act until they get an official response from Penn State to their “lack of institutional control” inquiry. The university probably can drag that out long enough to get the current season underway. They need to be careful, though, because if it looks like intentional foot-dragging the sanctions could be more severe. I’m predicting a one-year “death penalty” for the 2013 season, but that’s predicated upon the University being cooperative. If it looks like they’re stonewalling, the “death penalty” could be 2 or 3 years.</p>

<p>Beyond that: the NCAA has no responsibility to get Penn State players situated at other universities. Probably all the NCAA would do would be to waive the usual rule that a scholarship athlete transferring to another school needs to sit out a year. It’s up to the players to find other places to play, and other football scholarships to play on. The top football programs by and large won’t have open scholarship slots just sitting there for the taking, so a lot of these players will get bumped down to “mid-major” schools or even lower, which certainly limits their ability to showcase their talent on a national stage. Others may need to sit out a year before they find a football program willing to burn a scholarship on their remaining eligibility. In that sense, they’re collateral damage, but that always happens when a school is sanctioned for NCAA violations. Just as at other schools, the response here should be, “Well, the coach should have thought of that before committing the infractions; if you have a complaint, take it up with your former school, and let it be a lesson to others who would play there.”</p>

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<p>not really, probably more ignorance LOL, </p>

<p>No matter what happens or when it happens the lawyers are gonna have a field day, and the NCAA needs to be uber careful they don’t over-step their bounds either or they will be open to lawsuits by other schools and potentially by the players. The university is already big-time exposed. This will be interesting.</p>

<p>Nothing is funny about this, momofthreeboys. </p>

<p>And bclintonk is actually correct. The NCAA has wide latitude, especially on the issue of “loss of institutional control.” The term is purposely vague, to cover situations which could never have been foreseen – such as, oh, let’s say… a major university’s football program protecting a child predator for decades. It’s YOUR notion that the NCAA is powerless here which is “wishful thinking.”</p>

<p>NCAA President Mark Emmert | PBS (Video)</p>

<p>[TAVIS</a> SMILEY | Mark Emmert | PBS - YouTube](<a href=“- YouTube”>- YouTube)</p>

<p>Article 2.1: ”It is the responsibility of each member institution to control its intercollegiate athletics program in compliance with the rules and regulations of the Association. The institution’s president or chancellor is responsible for the administration of all aspects of the athletics program. These principles of institutional control are further elaborated on in Articles 6.01.1 and 6.4 of the NCAA constitution. “</p>

<p>Article 2.4: ”For intercollegiate athletics to promote the character development of participants, to enhance the integrity of higher education and to promote civility in society, student-athletes, coaches, and all others associated with these athletics programs and events should adhere to such fundamental values as respect, fairness, civility, honesty and responsibility. These values should be manifest not only in athletics participation, but also in the broad spectrum of activities affecting the athletics program.”</p>

<p>Bylaw 10.1: individuals should ”act with honesty and sportsmanship at all times so that intercollegiate athletics as a whole, their institutions and they, as individuals, shall represent the honor and dignity of fair play and the generally recognized high standards associated with wholesome competitive sports.”</p>

<p>Bylaw 19.01.2: ”Individuals employed by or associated with member institutions for the administration, the conduct or the coaching of intercollegiate athletics are, in the final analysis, teachers of young people. Their responsibility is an affirmative one, and they must do more than avoid improper conduct or questionable acts. Their own moral values must be so certain and positive that those younger and more pliable will be influenced by a fine example. Much more is expected of them than of the less critically placed citizen.”</p>

<p>Source: [Emmert</a> doesn’t ‘want to take anything off the table’ with Penn State | CollegeFootballTalk](<a href=“http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/17/emmert-doesnt-rule-out-death-penalty-for-penn-state/]Emmert”>http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/17/emmert-doesnt-rule-out-death-penalty-for-penn-state/)</p>

<p>“promote civility in society”?</p>

<p>“generally recognized high standards”?</p>

<p>“much more is expected of them”?</p>

<p>“moral values so certain and positive”?</p>

<p>Busted.</p>

<p>I have never said the NCAA is powerless. I have said that they probably won’t do anything until Penn State responds, they probably don’t want to do anything until they understand how this will shake out criminally and I have said they also need to consider the reaction and precedence in light of the other NCAA schools. This is a very unique situation. </p>

<p>Lasma, I can separate my horror and disgust about Sandusky and my disgust with the Penn State administration and my curiosity about who knew what and when and talk about the realities of what might or might not happen in the “real world” because I happen to find that analytical dialogue interesting and this is a world class educational institution that is caught in this and that could go into free fall because of some really stupid people and a criminal or two or three. And the all powerful NCAA that had to be oh so careful about where they fit in the whole thing. It’s fascinating.</p>

<p>Players play the NCAA at will. If their school is punished, that is the risk a college athlete takes.</p>

<p>If the athletes get to continue at Penn state taking classes, and get to keep their scholarships, how horrible is that for the players? </p>

<p>As for the community that will suffer if the season is cancelled, well, they helped create the monster, they can deal with the consequences.</p>

<p>NCAA is not waiting necessarily for criminal cases. The orez of the NCAA said he expects a response in two weeks. That has nothing to do with criminal cases.</p>

<p>It wasn’t just two or three people, it was the athletic directed, the head of campus police, the foot ball coach, and the president of the school. The people in power.</p>

<p>Who all covered up for a cjild rapist and knew it. Who went around the board of trustees. Who lied in court and to the world. </p>

<p>To say it was just a few people denies who those people were.</p>

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<p>It’s very horrible for the players! How would YOU feel if you were one of the top viola players in the country with a possible professional future and suddenly you were not permitted to perform! These young athletes spent many years working hard to get to one of the highest levels of college football. At this point, not many of the other programs will have scholarships still available, even if transfer rules are waived.</p>

<p>I am not saying that football should be continued at PSU, but there is no question that terminating or suspending the program would have terrible consequences for many innocent parties, including financial implications to other universities and vendors.</p>

<p>This event represents a very serious and disturbing misuse of the power wielded by a major university’s athletics department. That power is derived from the union of money, loyalty, and sports that sustains the college athletics establishment and the NCAA itself.</p>

<p>In my opinion, the NCAA cannot afford to allow too many questions about the legitimacy of that system. They will not risk being seen as lenient in such an emotionally charged and widely-publicized case.</p>

<p>momofthreeboys, I notice that you continue to talk about the actions of “the administration” and “two or three” criminals. Do you really not understand that their actions occured within a larger context? Do you really not understand that an entire community – students, alums, players, residents – worships Penn State football? WORSHIPS it. </p>

<p>Do you think Spanier and Paterno woke up one day and decided it would be a good idea to harbor a predator? Of course not. So why did they do it? Because they lived in a world in which NOTHING was more important than the program, and it had to be protected at all costs. They didn’t just dream that up by themselves. They were acting on the values of an entire community.</p>

<p>The worship of football is what has to be eradicated on that campus. And the only way to do that is to eradicate football, at least until the university regains its moral compass.</p>

<p>Yup. When you stick dad in jail, mom and the kids get hurt. And while it lingers, the hurt dissipates when they are no longer dependent on him.</p>

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Really? So Harvard created the unibomber, Virginia Poly created Seung-Hui Cho, presumably they should also be castigated and economically ruined?</p>

<p>We did not intend to create this monster, the only messages we ever gave about football was that we liked our team and that we liked that we had a “clean” program. The first part is shared by dozens of other schools, the second part they chose to interpret differently than we would have expected them to.</p>

<p>So while I can understand people holding “Penn State culture” to blame, I don’t think the people doing so have any idea what “Penn State culture” really is besides what they see on ESPN. Everyone has become an expert on PSU lately…</p>

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What do you base this on? I grew up in State College, did my undergrad at Penn State, have visited a bunch of other schools (attending two more), and could not immediately identify anything really different about PSU compared to those other schools. What experience with PSU do you have that lets you say what Penn Staters actually believe?</p>

<p>Would people at those schools have argued vehemently that a statue of a man who aided and abetted a predator should remain?</p>

<p>4percent of college football players go pro from div1. </p>

<p>Horrible? </p>

<p>Companies close and opportunities are lost. Parents lose jobs and their kids can’t even go to college. some kids work part time go to school part time.</p>

<p>Some leave school to work or take care of sick relatives. </p>

<p>And yet we are supposed to feel sorry for football players? And their lives will be horrible if they can’t play a game they trained for? That will struggle a bit getting their footing? </p>

<p>If they are pro material they will be grabbed up. And the way colleges work, I am sure they can work out the whole credit thing if they do indeed transfer. </p>

<p>Otherwise go to class like the rest of the students and count your blessings you weren’t raped as a child by Sandusky.</p>

<p>cosmicfish: That’s exactly my point. This incident provokes questions about the institutional control mechanisms at any university with a big-money athletics program. If the NCAA leaves the slightest doubt about the necessity of maintaining institutional control over the profitable professional sports teams hiding inside college athletics departments, the entire system is called into question.</p>

<p>Agree with cosmicfish. I expect that everyone who thinks the whole PSU community helped to create this will no longer go to college games or for that matter, pro football games anymore. After all, you’re supporting a big money operation based on nothing more than sports, aren’t you? Do you have any idea how many colleges there are that have big-time football teams? What do you think students are doing that is so awful - going to games, enjoying the school spirit and cheering on their team? Admiring a coach and a program that seemed to do things right - and we had no reason to think otherwise? </p>

<p>All this self-righteous crap about “Penn State culture” is just that - crap. This could have happened at any number of big-time athletic programs. It must be comforting to think Penn State has some especially evil culture that promoted or allowed this to happen, but it doesn’t. </p>

<p>This could have happened anywhere there was power and money involved.</p>

<p>Edit to add: I am a PSU alum. I don’t worship Penn State football. It was fun. It was part of the campus experience. And it was only 7 (home game) Saturdays out of a school year. If I had to list all the reasons I loved going to Penn State, the football team would be fairly far down the list.</p>

<p>When SMU received the “death penalty,” its players were permitted to transfer and play immediately. With the NCAA’s blessing, there was a feeding frenzy as coaches from 80 schools (including Penn State) descended on the SMU campus. [SCOUTS</a> SEEK S.M.U. PLAYERS - NYTimes.com](<a href=“http://www.nytimes.com/1987/02/28/sports/scouts-seek-smu-players.html]SCOUTS”>SCOUTS SEEK S.M.U. PLAYERS - The New York Times) </p>

<p>If the NCAA wants to shut down the Penn State program for a year without imposing the harm that SMU suffered (i.e., 20 years in the football wilderness), it can allow seniors to transfer and play immediately, but not underclassmen. This would avoid the mass exodus that SMU experienced.</p>

<p>As for whether other schools would even have scholarships available, you need only inform yourself of the concept of grayshirting. If a recruit does not matriculate until January, this makes him part of the following year’s recruiting class. (It is just redshirting on steroids.) It would seem that a school could “ask” a recruit to become a grayshirt to make room for a transfer.</p>