<p>^But that is pure opinions and speculations. And a lot more will come out that will surely exonerate Joe, if not at the trial, something in the future will for sure. Until everything comes out that proves what I like to believe, I will hold my judgement.</p>
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That is from exhibit 5G, in late Feb 2001 - no one, not even Paterno, not even Freeh, have claimed that Joe did not know in 2001, I was talking about 1998, in regard to the perjury claim. And my previous point still remains - what does “talk[ed] it over with Joe” actually mean?</p>
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Yes, I knew all this. Your point?</p>
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Ah, there it is. True, but the Court of Public Opinion is overturned only on page 16.</p>
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No, anything at this point that comes out will almost certainly condemn Joe, true or false - I do not think that anyone is withholding “Good Joe” stuff, if anything Curley and/or Schultz will whip out something to throw Paterno under the bus in trial. Still, I am surprised to see you change your opinion so …</p>
<p>Ah, I get it now.</p>
<p>Thanks, but I can speak for myself, and with more accuracy than you can. I think Paterno was probably complicit. You want me to say definitely? Sorry, as I said before, I don’t like to condemn people for things I cannot prove, and a couple of second-hand emails (which is still all that has been produced) are a little thin to hang a man on.</p>
<p>Well, especially a demigod like Joe Paterno in your eyes. </p>
<p>What would satisfy you? A video tape recording of Joe saying he knew?</p>
<p>Your incessant desire to believe otherwise for the glory of the PSU name is precisely the issue at stake. Because we love PSU football and our beloved coach, there couldnt possibly be anything wrong, nosiree.</p>
<p>I’ve been letting cosmicfish do an admirable job of trying to delineate an unpopular position, since this is a discussion board. So the sarcasm and conclusion-jumping about people’s motives does not speak well of those who use it as their main rhetorical point. </p>
<p>There should be a place in our society for the rule of law, and it is not a terrible thing for cosmicfish to demand that hearsay and random mind-reading not lead the day. There is a legal difference between what is proven and what is suspected; what is a belief and what is a fact. I can believe all of that, and still think that Paterno was no hero. I can also believe Paterno was not the worst man in America, either. </p>
<p>We are all smart enough to not continue to bark at one another over the semantics and over the nuances of opinion, not continue to take metaphorical points and pick them apart (Jefferson? That was a POINT someone was making, not a direct comparison) After all these posts, it’s pretty clear that there’s not movement on positions, nor is there substantive discussion of the underlying issue of child abuse.</p>
<p>Sorry if this has already been mentioned, but most of the NCAA’s revenue comes from basketball, not football. [Revenue</a> - NCAA.org](<a href=“http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/NCAA/Finances/Revenue]Revenue”>http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/NCAA/Finances/Revenue). See the questions on the right in the insert. I think the members of the Big Ten, not the NCAA, would be most hurt financially by a death penalty against PSU.</p>
<p>IMO the hole for PSU gets deeper … </p>
<p>[Jerry</a> Sandusky scandal – Penn State Nittany Lions trustees passed on reform in 2004 - ESPN](<a href=“http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/8175462/jerry-sandusky-scandal-penn-state-nittany-lions-trustees-passed-reform-2004]Jerry”>Jerry Sandusky scandal -- Penn State Nittany Lions trustees passed on reform in 2004 - ESPN)</p>
<p>… to me this is more evidence about PSU’s lack of interest in maintaining institutional control.</p>
<p>and deeper … </p>
<p>[Federal</a> officials probe Penn State for possible Clery Act violations - The Washington Post](<a href=“http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/federal-officials-probe-penn-state-for-possible-clery-act-violations/2012/07/17/gJQA8swirW_story.html]Federal”>http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/federal-officials-probe-penn-state-for-possible-clery-act-violations/2012/07/17/gJQA8swirW_story.html)</p>
<p>^^ That is really nothing comparing to what many popular sports forums have been speculating that ‘Second Mile’ was in fact running a Pedo Ring operation under Sandusky’s leadership. If verified, all Penn State football facilities along with Beaver Stadium will be demolished in no time.</p>
<p>interesting article from Rick Reilly about Paterno and an article Reilly wrote about Paterno 25 years ago …</p>
<p>[Rick</a> Reilly: Joe Paterno’s True Legacy - ESPN](<a href=“http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/8162972/joe-paterno-true-legacy]Rick”>Rick Reilly: Joe Paterno's True Legacy - ESPN)</p>
<p>Interesting confession by ESPN sports writer Rick Rielly:
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<p>What upsets me the most about the Rick Reilly article is that, once again, there were clear signs that something was very wrong at Penn State–and, once again, anyone who tried to raise questions was vilified–“how dare they try to tarnish the halo of St. Joe”–Vicky Triponey had very, very specific and unquestionable emails regarding cover-ups and unethical practices regarding Paterno–and she was, and still is (see some of the posts above) treated like a pariah–what did it take before these whistle-blowers would be taken seriously and give an ounce of credibility–how pathetically tragic.</p>
<p>I suspect PSU will face a virtually never-ending onslaught of various administrative bodies working them over head to toe as the legal actions focusing around Sandusky and the actual victims eventually wrap up (which will take years).</p>
<p>Which will include the DOJ, FBI, IRS, NCAA, Department of Education, and many many more.</p>
<p>Paterno did what he did to “protect his legacy.” The most fitting consequence is to wipe out that legacy. Blow a 45-year hole in the history of the program.</p>
<p>All vestiges of Paterno must be ripped from the program and school.</p>
<p>The holdovers from his staff/ believe there are 2 asst coach, sid officers and assistants, trainers, doc should be fired (contracts paid off, of course).*
In the future, an applicant is automatically disqualified for any connection to Paterno whatsoever, to be hired for the football staff.</p>
<p>All memorablilia, murals, trophies etc etc etc. removed from the football buildings.</p>
<p>All mention of Paterno – other than game scores --<em>All</em>iconic celebration pictures and dramatic accounts of great victories in the media guides need to be expunged.</p>
<p>Every win after 1998, when it has been demonstrated Paterno knew about Sandusky, should be forfeited.</p>
<p>The “tradition” uniforms dramatically and radically changed. PSU should be on their helmets, white or dayglo shoes and numbers in scripted fonts.</p>
<p>No official university-sanctioned reunions, ceremonies, observances of anything whatsoever involving the Paterno program.</p>
<p>PSU people will of course be able to talk about the glorious Paterno years behind closed doors…*where you talk about shameful things.</p>
<p>This is ESPNs Rick Rielly:
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<p>Tutu and Author, I agree.</p>
<p>I cannot understand what the Trustees are thinking. That they won’t even get rid of the statute. This entire mess makes one question the present Trustees, that they have so little regard for children.</p>
<p>“Hopefully that e-mail is part of a chain. If not a good lawyer would rip it to shreds. They could have been talking about investing in new turf for the football field”</p>
<p>I’ve heard everything now!</p>
<p>There’s an awful lot of commentary from someone who has not even done basic reading on the subject. The emails were not even read. It’s beyond me.</p>
<p>An op-ed in today’s NY Times: [Leave</a> the Statue, to Remember](<a href=“http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/18/opinion/coates-leave-the-paterno-statue.html]Leave”>http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/18/opinion/coates-leave-the-paterno-statue.html)</p>
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<p>Perhaps Paterno’s statue should stay, with the addition of a bronze blindfold.</p>
<p>^^ The problem with that scenario is at Penn State, it would NOT happen, not the plaque, not the thought. </p>
<p>The statue needs to be destroyed and it will be.</p>
<p>PS I do like the blindfold idea though.</p>
<p>“I cannot understand what the Trustees are thinking. That they won’t even get rid of the statute. This entire mess makes one question the present Trustees, that they have so little regard for children.”</p>
<p>They won’t even take away Professor Emeritus Sandusky’s academic title.</p>