<p>Yes heaven forbid someone standup and blow the whistle. Weak weak fearful people. Hope they re all embarrassed.but probably not. All part of we are Penn state mindset. Anyplace that puts a person above the institution should look at themselves very closely</p>
<p>“Yes, most employees follow the rules regarding social media and conventional media. They really do.”</p>
<p>That’s such a scary thought - and compromises the academic integrity of the entire institution.</p>
<p>And what did Hardin say?</p>
<p>"And I think at Penn State there are literally thousands of faculty and staff who’ve been distressed by this tragedy, this catastrophe where it was clear that the priorities of the institution had been flipped. And I think it’s safe to say that you’ve got a faculty at Penn State who want to work hard to change that.</p>
<p>BLOCK: And how would that happen?</p>
<p>HARDIN: Well, you know, I think that it’s got to be faculty and staff speaking up."</p>
<p>Thousands of faculty and staff are distressed. It is clear that the priorities of the institution had been flipped.</p>
<p>Well, we’re still waiting for the cows to come home. “Hello out there in Happy Valley? Is anybody home?”</p>
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<p>summary: the PSU community doesn’t care that they let people rape children</p>
<p>read about the PSU community (which, make no mistake, encompasses many more people than just those that attend (or attended) the school) threatening Victim #1 for speaking the truth</p>
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<p>[Teen</a> endured shame, fear and threats to launch Sandusky prosecution ? USATODAY.com](<a href=“http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-07-09/victim-1-sandusky-witness/56278226/1?AID=4992781&PID=4177067&SID=1str1f9od6bse]Teen”>http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-07-09/victim-1-sandusky-witness/56278226/1?AID=4992781&PID=4177067&SID=1str1f9od6bse)</p>
<p>who cares that children are getting raped?!?! we have football games to play!</p>
<p>shameful… just more reasons the whole thing needs to be shut down.</p>
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<p>No. It means that most people are capable of separating the students and academic programs of the university from the actions of a few despicable men.</p>
<p>Grcxx3, of course everyone knows that only a few men were despicable. But the systems and culture at PSU mandated that everyone else keep quiet. And now, the President saying that only he will speak, its same old same old. He should be saying I welcome comments from the Faculty Senate as to the what they think the path forward should be. I welcome comments from other groups. I can not promise we will do what everyone asks, but we will certain listen.</p>
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<p>How do you know that isn’t happening? Just because no one is making public comments doesn’t mean discussions aren’t being held. And I don’t have any problems with all formal statements coming from Erickson. He is the university President. It’s his job.</p>
<p>I also think the university did a VERY good thing by having the Freeh report released to everyone at the same time. OMG - I can just imagine the outrage on this forum if the report was released to the BoT before anyone else! geez…</p>
<p>Fresh air is the best disenfectant. At a minimum, the faculty senate needs to meet as a group. Hard to believe if they are doing that, its being kept quiet.</p>
<p>The President thinks so much of his high ranking faculty that he took away the rights of his Professor Emeritus to come to a football game, but not the right to march with that faculty at academic gatherings. </p>
<p>“How do you know that isn’t happening? Just because no one is making public comments doesn’t mean discussions aren’t being held.”</p>
<p>It means that they are chewing their cuds in private.</p>
<p>I would imagine there have been meetings upon meetings upon meetings since Friday. Kayf, you can set up a Google Alert if you want 24/7 continuous feed into your e-mail (or you can adjust the setting so you aren’t deluged) of just about everything that is coming out in all media on Penn State if you want to…</p>
<p>[Google</a> Alerts - Monitor the Web for interesting new content](<a href=“http://www.google.com/alerts]Google”>Google Alerts - Monitor the Web for interesting new content)</p>
<p>Mom, I am certain there have been Trustee meetings. But are they listening to anyone else? These trustees include one guy who wanted to apologize to Paterno for the way he was fired.</p>
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<p>Or - kayf - why don’t you just email Erickson and ask him? From what I have been told, he has been pretty responsive to people who have contacted him.</p>
<p>But to be honest - I don’t think it would matter if the administration and faculty had been in 24/7 meetings since last fall. For many of the posters here, nothing the university does will be ever be good enough.</p>
<p>well… I just read some PSU sports message boards.</p>
<p>Here are some themes:
- The report is tarnishing JoePa’s legacy unnecessarily
- PSU should be able to buy their way out of the situation
- They can’t shut down the football program, there is too much money at stake
- Plans to take a picture with the statue b/c it might not be around much longer
- JoePa didn’t actually know Sandusky was raping children
- PSU has suffered enough; no further punishments are deserved</p>
<p>socerguy - there are idiots everywhere, including Penn State.</p>
<p>Messages will start coming out. They have to put their action plan in place so they can respond to the NCAA. Plan first. Communicate to NCAA and work through that and then more information will be released. It’s possible they had two plans in place before last Thursday, but it doesn’t “feel” that way to me. Clearly they had talking points for the NPR interview on the 12th but they may not have had a full action plan, only talking points.</p>
<p>Just from a casual reading of this thread in recent days, it’s pretty obvious why the so-called NCAA death penalty is necessary. We see total denial, adults still living in their fantasy dreamland… it’s simply amazing.</p>
<p>Football needs to disappear for long enough to allow PSU to become a great university without it.</p>
<p>This is sickening. I was hoping to see that Spanier will be indicted, but reading this I wonder…</p>
<p>Dr. Spanier has for some time held a top secret security clearance in connection with his work with the federal government. This clearance required a re-review when the Sandusky matter surfaced in November. Federal investigators then conducted a four-month investigation of their own in which they interviewed many of the same individuals the Freeh Group interviewed and other relevant individuals Freeh did not interview. At the conclusion of the investigation the government reaffirmed Dr. Spaniers clearance.</p>
<p>As I posted previously, how the hell did they determine he was appropriate for a top secret security clearance position??? well, clearly he does know how to keep a secret, but I always thought one’s character and judgment would come into play…</p>
<p>Read more: [Graham</a> Spanier statement, July 16 | State News - WGAL Home](<a href=“http://www.wgal.com/news/susquehanna-valley/state/Graham-Spanier-statement-July-16/-/9758860/15576564/-/9jkw20z/-/index.html#ixzz212nt2t74]Graham”>http://www.wgal.com/news/susquehanna-valley/state/Graham-Spanier-statement-July-16/-/9758860/15576564/-/9jkw20z/-/index.html#ixzz212nt2t74)</p>
<p>[Penn</a> State defends rights and files suit against insurer | Progress](<a href=“http://progress.psu.edu/resource-library/story/penn-state-defends-rights-and-files-suit-against-insurer]Penn”>http://progress.psu.edu/resource-library/story/penn-state-defends-rights-and-files-suit-against-insurer)</p>
<p>Seems Penn State insurer is balking on paying claims of but ONE suit. Doesn’t want to cover them. </p>
<p>I wonder why anyone on the BOT would want to stay in the position. </p>
<p>If you do a history search on Spanier, he has colored past. One of intimidation/bullying.
I wonder what his peripheral contacts are, it seems he has WAY too much power overall. It seems it is rotting from the head down I guess.</p>
<p>I had read similar things about Spanier, he is despicable. </p>
<p>From your link above samiamy–
“Despite substantial insurance premiums paid by the University to PMA over decades, PMA has refused to provide the coverage for which the University is entitled,” said David Gray, Penn State’s senior vice president for finance and business. “We are extremely disappointed that rather than act in good faith with its insured, PMA instead chose to file an anticipatory lawsuit against us.”</p>
<p>note the language Penn State used, coverage for which the University is ENTITLED. Really, entitled? Isn’t any insurance claim dependent on being approved, meeting certain relevant criteria? </p>
<p>and they are disappointed that the insurer is not acting in good faith. hmm…imagine that, an organizationa not acting in good faith. wait, wasn’t it PSU that didn’t act in good faith.</p>
<p>don’t know much about this type of insurance, does Penn State’s inactions, and results of the Freeh report potentially invalidate their coverage?</p>
<p>soccerguy, out of curiosity, I checked a few Penn State message boards. In addition to the sentiments you listed, I found such tidbits as:</p>
<p>*PSU has been caving to media pressure since November.
*I just emailed Pres. Erickson and told him that the Freeh report is not due process.
*PSU needs to hire a top lawyer [to] call the NCAA’s bluff.
*At this point PSU’s reputation blows. Fighting back cannot decrease it any further.
*Nary a shred of physical damning evidence.
*Joe did the right thing most of the time.
*PSU has no responsibility for what happened. ESPN, NCAA and Corbett is [sic] making this all up to make PSU look worse than they are.
*Lack of institutional control means MULTIPLE violations. In the Sandusky situation we have ONE instance.
*The Penn State community has suffered enough, Mr. Erickson. Don’t let them trick you into self-punishment more serious than a financial gesture, similar to last year’s bowl revenue donation.</p>
<p>I’m sorry, Grcxx3, but this kind of thing seems to be the prevailing opinion in the Penn State community. I looked at probably a hundred of these things and I found maybe 5 which weren’t in this vein. If there are large pockets of Penn State opinion which favor shutting down the program, I could not find them. </p>
<p>Yes, there are idiots everywhere. But these particular voices seem to be representative of a community which has lost its moral compass. The objections that are raised – what about the cheerleaders? what about Big Ten revenue? what about the recruits? – boggle the mind when compared to what has already been lost. Little boys were victimized, sacrificed on the altar of football. Little boys. I’m very sorry if shutting down the program means that cheerleaders can’t cheer, but they will recover. Those little boys never will. How in God’s name can those two losses be measured against each other?</p>
<p>Ah, but why should the cheerleader suffer because of what “two or three men” did? But that’s the trouble – it wasn’t two or three men. It’s clear that Penn Staters are excessively attached to the football program. Back in 2001, the men at the top knew very well that the football program was adored, and didn’t want to incur the wrath of the faithful by revealing a stain on the idol. They did nothing more than act on the values of their community – worship of Paterno and the program. What we’re seeing now is that same wrath, directed at those who would tear the idol down. But to those not blinded by team loyalty, it’s abundantly clear how very dangerous this idol is.</p>