<p>Does disagreeing with your stand make one “mean?” Are you referring to posters who think the football program needs to go and that the economic hardships which may result are unfortunate but really irrelevant to the issue as being “mean?”</p>
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<p>Is it kinda like when PSU wanted to treat Sandusky “humanely”?</p>
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<p>No Nrdsb4. I have no problem with people who disagree with me. I may disagree with their opinions, but I respect them.</p>
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I think they had to do it. The NCAA put Penn State on notice that the level of punishment would be determined by their actions going forward. Had the BOT taken a “damn the torpedoes” approach, the NCAA might have felt that they still “didn’t get it” and imposed more drastic penalties. It’s a start but with the election of some new trustees who were major Joe Pa supporters, it remains to be seen how it plays out.</p>
<p><a href=“http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8171574/jerry-sandusky-scandal-ncaa-president-mark-emmert-signals-heavy-sanctions-penn-state[/url]”>http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8171574/jerry-sandusky-scandal-ncaa-president-mark-emmert-signals-heavy-sanctions-penn-state</a></p>
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<p>Grcxx3, if you mean me, I’m sorry. I’m just honestly trying to understand why those within the Penn State community who want to see the end of the program aren’t being more vocal. I only meant to be persistent, because so far I haven’t heard an answer that makes sense to me.</p>
<p>But if I came across as mean, I apologize.</p>
<p>No they are denying there was a vote…</p>
<p>They are silent because they have always been silent. There is a culture and legal exceptions so they are silent. Those who spoke up were fired. Fear can be a mighty powerful tool. And I do think sadly they are either fearfulmor have drank the koolaid</p>
<p>It seems to me that asking the faculty , alumni, students, whoever to tell the board what to do is the exact same behavior that Paterno et al has done. The board of trustees needs to be in charge and do their job. The investigators need to do their job and the legal system needs to keep churning until this is finished.</p>
<p>As much as people want to they cannot and should not force this to move any faster than is possible. Just because you are not “in the know” does not mean that no one is doing anything.</p>
<p>Obviously a good example is the statue…</p>
<p>As much as I would like to read a strong statement from the faculty, there are several legal matters yet to be heard. Perhaps they are silent under legal advice/request. If ongoing investigations are happening, the state/federal/legal authorities may prefer to conduct those investigations without statements to the press, etc. Perhaps the Prof of Communications was asked to make a statement, then stop talking to the press.</p>
<p>It’s not just that tenured profs can’t be fired, have freedom of speech, etc. They also have an obligation to not infringe on ongoing investigations. </p>
<p>I have to say, I don’t understand the Prof. Emeritus status…that should be easy to revoke under the current circumstances. The man is a convicted child abuser.</p>
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<p>How in the world could saying we want the football program suspended for a period of time be regarded as infringing on an ongoing investigation? That’s malarky.</p>
<p>There is no reason to make excuses for the faculty.</p>
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coureur, you nailed it.
Especially when they argue dont cancel the season just band televising the games. If cancelling the FB season would have a negative financial impact on Happy Valley businesses, then why should the opposing teams lose TV revenues because PSU is banded from televising their games?</p>
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<p>Though I don’t personally give a darn about football, I graduated from and my son currently attends a fellow Big 10 school that, I assume, would stand to lose a significant amount of TV revenue if PSU cannot compete or be televised. And as a booster of that school, obviously I don’t like it receiving less revenue than planned, blah blah blah. But some things are MORE IMPORTANT than money - don’t you get it? How could I possibly ethically say, “Well, PSU shouldn’t be punished because it might impact <em>my</em> school”?</p>
<p>kayf I was not adressing the football program suspension.</p>
<p>And I was not making excuses for the faculty. </p>
<p>I was presenting an opinion that differs from yours. Reasonable people can disagree, discuss the disagreement, etc. I do not support PSU. I find that actions of Paterno, the admin, etc evil. Sandusky is beyond evil.</p>
<p>I hope that many more investigations are going on. Investigations into other acts of intimidation by the football program, Clery Actviolations, into the BOT. It may be best for those investigations that there are not a lot of press conferences held by individual faculty members. It’s my opinion You are, of course, free to disagree. But no where in my statements do I make an excuse for any faculty member. Frankly, I don’t understand why the academic members of the university did not stand up to the football program a long time ago. Through reading both on this forum and other places, I am trying to understand what led to this Penn State culture.</p>
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<p>I believe that when we talk about “meanness” we need to first think from the victim’s point of view.
Today I heard a caller to ESPN radio saying he was a victim as a child. He said (with difficulty controlling his emotions) that Joe Paterno’s statue is a constant reminder not only for what they’ve been through but also that no one would listen to them when they reported the crime. I think keeping PSU football program alive will have similar effect on those victims.</p>
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<p>I’d think it would be 100 times worse for Sandusky’s victims than for other victims.</p>
<p>“When a recent study showed 43 rapes occurred on my alma mater’s small campus in the past year, the President of the College wrote three letters to the entire campus community (and alumni), called on faculty to discuss the issue with their students, and convened an all-campus convocation. It was discussed in the faculty senate.”</p>
<p>I’m sorry to hear that, Mini. </p>
<p>More information, please. Did 43 rapes actually occurr before the President decided to take action or were initial actions ineffective? Were fraternities/sororities suspended? Were social events banned? Were incoming Freshman advised of the unsafe campus environment? What steps were taken besides discussions? Please enlighten so that others can learn how you believe your alma mater’s process was laudable?</p>
<p>I find no proof of Mini’s claim of 43 rapes if the college is Williams. Not even remotely close to that figure over 3 years. </p>
<p><a href=“http://security.williams.edu/files/2011/09/clerybook2011.pdf[/url]”>http://security.williams.edu/files/2011/09/clerybook2011.pdf</a></p>
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<p>Without devolving into a Greek debate which is majorly off-topic, that’s a perfect example of how sanctions hurt “innocent people.” If even a few members of a Greek organization misbehave in a way that’s completely unacceptable, the entire organization can be kicked off campus. (It’s happened at my alma mater, certainly. Whether it always happens when it should is another discussion entirely, but let’s all agree that certainly it can happen.) </p>
<p>That “punishes” innocent members who didn’t do anything wrong; it “punishes” local merchants who sell that Greek organization’s spirit wear and mugs and paddles and so forth; it “punishes” incoming students who won’t have a chance to join that organization; it even “punishes” the charities or philanthropies that that organization may have supported / raised money for. But so what? Tell me again why I’m supposed to be moved by the “think of the local merchants”?</p>
<p>Again, another example of total lack of leadership at PENN state.</p>
<p>Who runs this place?</p>
<p>[Penn</a> State official denies decision has been reached to take down Joe Paterno?s statue this weekend - NY Daily News](<a href=“College Sports News - New York Daily News”>Penn State officials denies decision has been reached to take down Joe Paterno’s statue this weekend )</p>
<p>Reports began trickling out of State College Friday morning that the statue of late Nittany Lion coach Joe Paterno will come down this weekend.
But that comes as news to one member of the University’s Board of Trustees.
“We did no such thing,” Robert McCombie told Onward State, a website covering the team; and reporters from the student newspaper.</p>
<p>I have certainly never told you that you needed to be “moved” when thinking of local merchants, Pizzagirl. </p>
<p>Was the entire school punished that Mini spoke of or just the actual perpetrators and immediate associates/frats/sororities/clubs? </p>
<p>Or, were all of the students told that they contributed to the culture of rape and denigration? That they really haven’t felt enough shame for contributing to that culture? That their raising funds for the local rape shelter (or fill in a hypothetical charity) really isn’t genuine attempt at atonement but merely window dressing ? Etc., etc., etc. I really would like to know.</p>
<p>[Penn</a> State is being urged to shut down its football program - latimes.com](<a href=“http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-sn-penn-state-is-being-urged-to-shutdown-its-football-program-20120720,0,690621.story]Penn”>Penn State is being urged to shut down its football program)</p>