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<p>Sounds like politics 101 right there…</p>
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<p>Really? I think most here have been pretty vocal about their anger, frustration, disappointment, and plain disgust for the administrators, Paterno, and the BoT.</p>
<p>I just may get my wish … [Penn</a> State Nittany Lions – Trustees appeal to NCAA, vow federal lawsuit - ESPN](<a href=“http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8240385/penn-state-nittany-lions-trustees-appeal-ncaa-vow-federal-lawsuit]Penn”>Penn State Nittany Lions -- Trustees appeal to NCAA, vow federal lawsuit - ESPN) … I only hope if the NCAA reconsiders the case that increasing the penalty is considered</p>
<p>“Mini–I still don’t understand why a children’s charity was making ANY political contributions…”</p>
<p>There was a little thing called an investigation going on at the time. Apparently a very slow investigation, by an Attorney General who was soon to become Governor (and to appoint trustees to PSU.)</p>
<p>(Actually, there were two investigations, one about a certain disappeared DA who in 1998…)</p>
<p>(In case you think that I am suggesting that a certain football coach, and a certain attorney general-soon-to-be-Governor, and certain others might be implicated, one way or another, in child sex trafficking, child rape, murder, corruption at the highest levels of government, and corruption at virtually every level of Penn State University, well you can think what you like.)</p>
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<p>I agree that the students, fans and faculty are victims in this. Of course, there is no comparison to the victims of Sandusky’s abuse but they are victims, nonetheless. The problem is that they are blaming the wrong entity for their victimization. it is hard to be collateral damage but, well, life isn’t always fair and I agree that the anger of the Penn State community needs to be redirected at those that caused these consequences.</p>
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<p>Who? The current member of the board? Or the NCAA? The former members of the board? The former president of the university? The guys to be indicted? A dead guy? Who does the anger get directed at? Right now it’s aimed entirely on mostly people who weren’t around when all this happened.</p>
<p>I understand there was an investigation going on. I do not understand why a children’s charity would make political donations. Of course, a $600,000 donation that becomes a $3,000,000 bond might be considered a good investment by the Board of the charity, but it looks like odd politics to me.</p>
<p>I would suggest anger at a BOT, President and AD that let the football coach run the university. It might start with action to suspend the currently ongoing pay of the President and AD. If you can fire the football coach, you can fire faculty and the AD. It might take time, but the sooner you get the ball rolling, the sooner you are done.</p>
<p>Well the president and the AD that were there during the scandals are gone,…probably still on payroll due to legalities and until the prosecutor’s office makes some decisions, but gone and replaced by other people. Some of the board members are the same, so I suppose you can direct your anger at the board or at the the members that were there at the time…</p>
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<p>I believe everyone here on CC has said that those individuals need to be prosecuted to the fullest extent allowed. I don’t think anyone has suggested otherwise. </p>
<p>As for suspending their pay, taking away pensions, perks, whatever - I’m all for it, but I don’t think anything can be done (legally) until there is a conviction. As we saw with Sandusky - there is obviously a set of hurdles that have to be jumped, but I have no doubt there are people out there working on them.</p>
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<p>^^Agree and only time will tell if there is a prosecution case, but I have no doubt the situation is being looked at closely. The point is that those people are effectively “not” part of the current Penn State administration.</p>
<p>I have PLENTY of doubt that things are being looked at closely. In fact, rather complete doubt. The feds have no incentive to go after the former President Emeritus under the Mann Act, and if they don’t, there will almost no way to find out the truth about JoePa and the others regarding their involvement (intentioned or not) in child sex trafficking. There is no way the Governor is going to investigate his own actions regarding the “slow” investigation, and it’s potential link to campaign contributions. The Gricar case is dead and buried. Neither the Board nor the faculty seem particularly interested in finding out what really went on from 1998 forward; Second Mile has already said they won’t investigate. As far as the Board is concerned, Freeh went as far as they want it to go (even though Freeh himself says there is plenty more that he didn’t get to look at.)</p>
<p>I think it far more likely that everyone will try to bury things as deeply as they can. (Five years from now, there may a Pulitzer in it for someone who can crack the code.)</p>
<p>I agree with mini, this goes much deeper andis much uglier then the surface which was just scratched. </p>
<p>But the powers that be did the minimum they could get away with. </p>
<p>Hopefully some brave people will come forward and speak out. But that’s doubtful, etwen the coolaid, fear, and guilt.</p>
<p>Even if they are not currently in office, if I was choosing someone to be mad at, the folks that helped hide what was happening would be on the list. Not particularly productive, but it’s reasonable to me.</p>
<p>Exactly, the very people that need investigating, my guess is the last 2-3 PA Governors , Rendell/Ridge/Corbett.</p>
<p>I bet every one of them have dirty hands in this.</p>
<p>how do you mean, mini, scandals just beginning?</p>
<p>I think the coverup efforts are quite active, and going on at the highest reaches of state government and at PSU even as we speak. I don’t think we know anywhere near half the story as of yet. Freeh virtually said as much in his report.</p>
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<p>I’m still waiting to hear exactly how Penn State is “damaged.” You still have the team, you will still have a stadium full of screaming fans every Saturday, the alumni will pay the fine and replace bowl revenue.</p>
<p>When it comes right down to it, the only downside I can see to the sanctions is that the on-field product will suffer, and Penn State will not have its usual post-season glory for a few years. Is that the “damage” of which you speak? That the fans and alums will be “victimized” by a sub-standard win-loss record? If that’s the tragic outcome which Penn Staters are wailing about, then the point is once again proved: Football was, and remains, too important at Penn State.</p>
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Ironically, my statements about damage had nothing to do with football. There are people who think that the ordinary students, staff, and faculty should be ashamed for what they did (whatever that was), and at least one poster on here who has suggested that it so taints the academics that PSU degrees are now worthless. That is the damage that I am talking about - damage to our honor and academic reputation, not damage to the football team.</p>
<p>I somehow doubt that the howls from Penn State Nation about the NCAA sanctions are entirely about loss of honor and academic reputation. The one thing that the university could do to restore its integrity is to voluntarily suspend the football program. THAT would speak volumes about what you say really matters at PSU. Clearly, few in the Penn State community agree with you.</p>
<p>I don’t know ANYONE who thinks that PSU degrees are now worthless. And I do think their value is damaged. Virtually all PSU supporters have talked about how much the football team has contributed financially to the academic life of the university, and independent of any other damage done, the scandal will cost the university hundreds of millions of dollars that will be taken out of the academic side of the university. Honor is damaged, academic reputation is damaged (and is damaged more everyday that JoePa’s name remains on the library, and the entire university is financially damaged. I think I’m only stating the obvious, but others will feel differently. It’s a free country. </p>
<p>And faculty who haven’t spoken out clearly should be ashamed of themselves, starting with those in the so-called college of health and human development. Isn’t there anyone home who, from a human development perspective, is willing to talk about the proper role of athletics in human development?</p>