<p>this is a huge psychological transition for so many to make and without strong leadership on how to get there, they never will.</p>
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<p>This! Not just gone awry, but off-the-charts stupid. It’s mind-boggling. And the complete lack of control of their mouths – does any board, anywhere, for anything, think it’s useful/proper/professional to just let the individual members walk out to the parking lot and shoot off their mouths? I’m waiting for them to announce that they will have their own investigation, or sue BOT, it’s so very bizarre.</p>
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<p>Wow, coureur, you and the janitor are definitely on the same page. You have quotes from the janitor that can’t be found online. I don’t know anyone at Penn State or elsewhere that reflect the unique “sense and honesty” you describe. Don’t be so humble, come on, you’re the all knowing janitor!</p>
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<p>Try Google. It’s easy to use and quickly finds dozens of reports of the quote from the Freeh report:</p>
<p>[Analysis:</a> If public accepts findings of Louis Freeh investigation, consequences for Penn State are devastating on many levels - ESPN](<a href=“http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8160763/public-accepts-findings-louis-freeh-investigation-consequences-penn-state-devastating-many-levels]Analysis:”>Analysis: If public accepts findings of Louis Freeh investigation, consequences for Penn State are devastating on many levels - ESPN)</p>
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"The janitors’ supervisor asked the men if they wanted to report what they had witnessed to the police.</p>
<p>“No,” one janitor said, “they’ll get rid of all of us.”</p>
<p>“I know [football coach Joe] Paterno has so much power,” the other janitor recalled about the incident, “if he wanted to get rid of someone, I would have been gone.” He predicted that Penn State’s leaders would do everything possible to protect the school’s vaunted football program.</p>
<p>“Football runs this university,” the janitor said.</p>
<p>Key Points of Freeh Report</p>
<p>• Paterno and others showed “callous and shocking disregard for child victims.”
• Evidence shows Paterno, Spanier, Schultz and Curley did know of 1998 investigation and Paterno “failed to take any action.”
• PSU let Sandusky retire in 1999 “not as a suspected child predator, but as a valued member of the Penn State football legacy,” allowing him to groom victims.
• PSU “concealed critical facts … to avoid consequences of bad publicity.”
• Paterno “was an integral part of this active decision to conceal” and his firing was justified.
• PSU did not alert authorities to 2001 assault. Intervening factor in not reporting was conversation between Curley, Paterno.
• PSU failed to adhere to federal law requiring reporting crimes such as the ones Sandusky committed.</p>
<p>collegekidsmom, sarcasm doesn’t negate the point. I don’t see how it can be disputed that football DID run that university.</p>
<p>JoePa vetoed the plan to put Sandusky behind bars, and several years earlier, kicked Spanier out of his house when Spanier attempted to fire him. Football ran the university.</p>
<p>JoePa valued his (undeserved) reputation as a stand-up guy, and would go to any lengths to protect the facade. Why else would he have vetoed the plan to turn Sandusky in? Football ran the university.</p>
<p>And, as further proof, we have various groups trying to get the NCAA sanctions overturned. Even if you dismiss those groups as nutcases, what about the howling on this thread and elsewhere? Penn State Nation is in an uproar about the sanctions. Why? Because football STILL runs that university. </p>
<p>And once again, would someone please enlighten me: What the heck is Penn State so upset about? IT STILL HAS FOOTBALL.</p>
<p>Coureur, </p>
<p>According to your link “The janitors did nothing.” Why? According to your link "“No,” one janitor said, “they’ll get rid of all of us.”. None of them have been fired or put on trial. I guess the janitors had all of the power. The janitors run the university! </p>
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<p>What the heck! More inside info from the janitor? Or, if you say it enough times someone will mistake it for the truth. Ok, I give up. Football ran the university. Now, I guess, the janitor runs the university. Shame for you that Paterno died, can’t pursue the death penalty for him. Wait, better check with the janitor to see if he isn’t hiding in some closet.</p>
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<p>Yes, that’s pretty clear to just about everyone who doesn’t have a personal connection to the school.</p>
<p>collegekidsmom, if you read my post a little more carefully, you’ll see that I didn’t even mention the janitor. But I wonder if you’d address some of the things I DID mention, like the fact that JoePa vetoed the plan to report Sandusky, or the fact that he once kicked Spanier out of his house for having the temerity to try to fire him. For that matter, I wonder if you’d address my last question: What exactly has Penn State lost with the sanctions?</p>
<p>Actually, Nrdsb4, it’s only clear to those who aren’t questioning the motives of the janitor. </p>
<p>LasMa, If you would read your post a little more carefully you’ll see that you didn’t provide any factual info on which to comment. Please provide the links and if they are more credible than a janitor trying to justify his lack of action, I’ll comment.</p>
<p>In my opinion, Penn State hasn’t lost anything with the sanctions.</p>
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<p>No, it’s really clear to just about everyone who has spent any time at all paying attention to this whole sick saga.</p>
<p>Really, Nrdsb4? Then you won’t have any trouble giving me a basis for your OPINION.</p>
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By why are the football players from PSU the only ones who feel the need to file an independent appeal with the NCAA … was this not true for athletes from every other school and sport who has faced sanctions from the NCAA? Do you not find at least somewhat interesting that PSU football players are the only group to be compelled to act in this way?</p>
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<p>Source: [Rick</a> Reilly: Joe Paterno’s True Legacy - ESPN](<a href=“http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/8162972/joe-paterno-true-legacy]Rick”>Rick Reilly: Joe Paterno's True Legacy - ESPN)</p>
<p>^^^^You know where to find the evidence. There are reams and reams of it and I have neither the time nor the inclination to re-present it here. I don’t have to prove it when it has already been proven. The only people screaming over and over that it wasn’t the case (that PSU lost institutional control over the football program-i.e. the football program “ran the institution” the tail wagged the dog, etc., ) are for the most part PSU alums, current students, or relatives of same.</p>
<p>The only way this travesty never happens again is for the faithful to admit it happened, and work hard to see that it never does again. You can’t change what you don’t acknowledge.</p>
<p>Nrdsb4, If there was reams and reams of evidence it wouldn’t take any time to find. If you find ANY, I’ll check back from time to time and see. “You can’t change what you don’t acknowledge” Right back atcha!</p>
<p>3togo - “I was working on a fairly long response to this but decided it would have no affect on anyone’s opinion. Instead I’m going to bow out of this conversation with one last observation.” That didn’t last long. "Do you not find at least somewhat interesting that PSU football players are the only group to be compelled to act in this way? " Nope cause they are not. Actually, why don’t you ask a PSU football player? Aren’t they running the school? Shouldn’t be hard to find one.</p>
<p>Fast forward 15 years from now the lawyers/law firm representing the 3 BOT etc., will have a reality TV show. </p>
<p>Isn’t that how the Kardashian’s got all their fame? Dad represented OJ Simpson? who didn’t kill his wife by the way ;)</p>
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<p>Are you looking for “janitorial” misconduct?
Or Joe Paterno wrath?</p>
<p>Heres the later:
<a href=“http://www.nj.com/collegefootball/index.ssf/2012/07/politi_meet_vicky_triponey_the.html[/url]”>Politi: Meet Vicky Triponey, the woman who stood up to Joe Paterno at Penn State - nj.com;
<p>Meet Vicky Triponey, the woman who stood up to Joe Paterno at Penn State</p>
<p>She stood up to Paterno, and as a result, lost her job and nearly her career. She received threatening phone calls and was the target of internet smear campaigns. She was so ostracized in a community that is supposed to be “Happy Valley” that she didn’t feel comfortable going to the supermarket, because other shoppers would recognize her and turn away.</p>
<p>Here the former “janitorial” misconduct: The janitor has dementia so there goes that line of questioning for the defense</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/06/jerry_sandusky_trial_judge_cle.html[/url]”>Jerry Sandusky trial: Judge allows hearsay evidence from janitor who heard Sandusky was 'licking' a young boy - pennlive.com;
<p>Ronald Petrosky took the stand after about 15 minutes of argument between attorneys over whether the jury should be allowed to hear what he was going to say.</p>
<p>The judge ruled they would. But it’s been a topic of debate because the janitor who actually witnessed the event has dementia and can’t take the stand himself.</p>
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<p>Are you for real with this? You seriously don’t acknowledge that football did indeed have too much power at this university? How else do you explain the years and years during which a known pedophile was given free access to campus, often in the company of said kids? How do you explain how a football coach was able to veto his own firing? How do you explain Sandusky’s professor emeritus status? The fact that a witnessed, reported rape was never passed on to authorities? And on and on and on…</p>
<p>Samiamy, Neither. I continue to look for guidance from those who KNOW that football was and is running PSU.</p>
<p>Nrdsb4, Are you for real with this? There is a world of difference between a coach/program with too much power vs football runs the university. The fact that a witnessed, reported rape was never passed on to authorities – I’m sorry, are you referring to the one witnessed by the sainted janitor or McCreary? Weren’t you the one who says that everyone knows that football runs the university?</p>
<p>I, for one, find it startling each time collegekidsmom posts here. It’s very hard to comprehend the strength of what appears to be such defensiveness, delusion and denial. I shake my head. How can thousands of PSU boosters continue to earnestly cry the emperor is wearing clothes? </p>
<p>Making men into saints and turning fun competitions into deeply revered rituals seems like the worship of false gods. No good can eventually come of it. ANd what marks the line over which fans/alumni must not cross to show school pride? It’s when the coach won’t let his bosses fire him. When he boosts the career of a pedaphile and then protects the monster from being properly stopped! That’s what I (and I suspect many who post here decrying Penn State’s lack of sense, decency and control) expect the PSU community to wake up and see! Sadly, no so much.</p>