I genuinely find that an odd thing in which to take comfort.
MommaJ, I’m in total agreement that the private group attempting to put a statue off campus is mistaken, misguided and all that.
I won’t open up 600 pages of argument. Sanctions or discipline or reaction were clearly warranted and Penn State will always carry this as part of their history, now. But to erase student accomplishments, to pretend they werent here and held no records, earned no honors, had no photos — when they werent in any way a part of this hideous crime — that seems wrong.
Mr. Paterno was a husband, a father, a grandfather. He was loved and mourned by his family as such and to wish him ill on his deathbed (and he had been dying for months) speaks poorly of you, not of them.
What did it accomplish to vacate the victories? They can’t vacate the number of rapes that happened under his watch, and that’s the only thing that would have any meaning.
It was meaningless when they said those 409 wins didn’t happen, and it’s meaningless now to act like they happened again. If I’m reading the stories on the wire correctly, today’s move will get money into the hands of those that need it sooner than had this gone to court. So in a way, that’s a W.
I am personally disappointed in the settlement, not because of the wins - while I agree that vacating them was petty and largely meaningless, it is not nearly the biggest issue to me. I am disappointed because all of the internal communications coming out indicate that Emmert and the NCAA knew that they did not have standing to all of this, and knew that internal support for a death penalty was minimal, and yet they strong armed Penn State into sanctions because they were concerned that if they didn’t, the NCAA would look bad.
Emmert is terrible. The NCAA is ridiculous. They needed to be hit harder, so that it could be shown that they were not doing what they were supposed to be doing, and it does not seem like anyone else was going to show them for what they are.
Oh, and for those who think that sounds like a reason to go after Penn State, you are 100% correct… which is why the courts have convicted one former coach, indicted 3 former officials, and overseen lawsuits in the tens of millions. The NCAA had neither cause nor right to pile on to that.
^^^I agree. What a really nasty thing to say. Whatever his shortcomings, he was not a pedophile and did a lot of good in his lifetime. @MommaJ I hope you won’t be judged at the end of you life by your weakest moment.
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Short on time today, but thought I would note that a new settlement has been reached, replacing the previous consent decree, restoring Paterno's wins, limiting the fines to within the state of PA, but also "acknowledging the NCAA's legitimate concern".
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What is there to say? It was predictable and just as despicable as this farce of a punishment. It has amounted to a mere slap on the wrist when nothing short of a lengthy abolition of all football at PSU was sufficient. A disgrace.
Here’s an update: a court has ordered the restoration of Sandusky’s pension: http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/11/13/455894142/court-resores-jerry-sanduskys-penn-state-pension
See my previous post #8843 on page 590 if this interests you.
Probably the right result for this S.O.B. Government administrators just can’t make up new rules or issue edicts without the proper legal foundation.
While I think everyone would be happier the more this guy gets hurt, the letter of the law did not permit them to take his pension. Hopefully civil actions will be more successful in taking it as restitution to his victims.
Seems sad that Sandusky violated the institution he was part of, caused the program so much harm, but nonetheless is owed his pension. It should be if someone is convicted of a crime associated with the institution they are part of, they should not be allowed to collect a pension. For example, does anyone know if a politician is impeached, or let’s say a judge is removed from office, if they can collect a pension? I assume the argument was that Sandusky worked for Penn state long enough to vest into the pension plan, paid into it, and that doesn’t change because he was sent to jail. You can hope that civil suits can attach that pension, but in some way it seems like a cruel commentary that the school he so damaged has to pay him, reminds me of divorce law where a wife can have an affair, and in the divorce settlement end up with the house and the husband having to pay alimony and child support (because the wife gets the kids usually) and have the boyfriend move in, it is kind of adding insult to injury.
The pension is his property. If you want to take away his stuff, you need criminal fines, or civil judgments, or lawyer bills.
In Pennsylvania is a pension protected from creditors? He may have won his pension but does that mean he will receive the payments?
Penn State employees had plenty to do with enabling him to perpetrate his acts on campus and propping him up in a “respectable” position with the program. Certainly they are not blameless victims of his actions. The university had institutional breakdowns up and down the chain of reporting within the athletic department.
I believe that there is a recently enacted law in New York State which mandates the forfeiture of pension benefits for legislators and other public officials convicted of corruption.
I’d like to see the law set up in a way that if someone is put in prison, and has money, he should be made to cover his expenses while in jail.
So he knew about abuse in the seventies and did nothing. Wow?it makes me wonder did Sandusky have something on Paterno that he would keep him as an employee.
It’s been a scandal in NY forever, but I don’t think they’ve passed a law yet though they’ve maybe started the process. http://www.silive.com/news/index.ssf/2016/05/albany_response_to_corruption.html
Of course it’s hard on family and children if decisions were made based on the assumption that that pension would be part of your retirement plan. That said, I think the law is necessary although there are many other steps that need to be taken before NY lawmakers will be less tempted by corruption.