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<p>What’s incendiary about suggesting that you’re off base when you impute motives to someone based on no evidence at all?</p>
<p>Right, annasdad (and wrong TutuTaxi). Curley and Schulz are being charged with failure to report. Unfortunately, in 2002 that was a summary offense carrying a relatively small fine and no jail time, so that’s not so much of a threat. Which is why they are also being charged with a serious felony, perjury, despite the fact that their disagreement with McQueary about what he told them is arguably irrelevant to any criminal charge against anybody. (As Hunt pointed out, hundreds of posts ago, however, the disagreement is relevant to McQuery’s credibility as a witness. And that in turn is completely relevant to prosecuting Sandusky for Victim 2, because McQuery’s testimony is 100% of the evidence available on that charge. So I should admit that I was too quick to conclude that the perjury charges were trumped-up.)</p>
<p>nrsb-
If you saw a crime in action (mugging) why didn’t you intervene directly instead of just honking the horn and calling 911? Were you worried about the possible consequences of getting directly involved at the time? Should you have done more to protect the victim? And back in 2002, is it possible a grad student in a locker room was in his gym clothes and didnt have his cellphone on him at the time?</p>
<p>^Exactly OhioMom, the apologists keep glossing over that and do not respond to that fact. Sandusky still have an office in the athletic facility. He was holding various functions there years after with young kids. Does anyone there care at all?</p>
<p>…GA was able to call his dad somehow. He could have gotten to a phone if he didn’t have one. </p>
<p>I’m not faulting this 200 lbs. 6 something ft GA for not stopping a middle aged man. I don’t have a problem with that. But, call the police if you see someone raping a minor, okay?</p>
<p>I would sure like to hear McQueary’s more detailed explanation of his actions and motivations, and how sure he was at the time about what he saw. But I have to say this about him–he must have known that the safest thing for him would have been for him to pretend that he saw nothing, and to do nothing. Perhaps he was tempted to do just that, but overcame that temptation after talking to his dad. The other Penn State officials let him down, too–if they had started a real investigation that had brought all this out then, it seems to me that there would be much less criticism of McQueary now. Whether Paterno is one of the ones who let him down, or whether Paterno himself was also let down by those who dropped the ball, I’m not so sure. Perhaps both.</p>
<p>Another point about McQueary: there are three things that may or not be the same:
- What McQueary actually told Paterno, Curley and Schultz back in 2002.
- What McQueary remembered telling them when he testified before the grand jury.
- The grand jury report’s characterization of what he told the grand jury he told them.</p>
<p>Pursuant to Seahorsesrock’s point;</p>
<p>I came across a mother verbally abusing [i.e. cursing, really vulgar swearing at that] and manhandling her little daughter, whom was clearly a pre-schooler. I asked her to stop and think about what she was doing. She promptly cursed at me, insulted me [no big deal] and took flight when I began to look around for a cop.</p>
<p>I am no saint but I do believe if we claim to want a civil society, we have to step up every now and then at personal risk.</p>
<p>ohiomom-
Understand that most (if not almost all) feel that reporting up the chain was not enough. Paterno said that himself. Point is, while it was not the best decision, it was an acceptable decision per the statutes. </p>
<p>And also agree that Sandusky continuing to have access to the facilities and continuing to bring young children is akin to the piano player in the lobby of the whorehouse claiming he didnt know what was going on upstairs. But what we don’t know is what he was told/directed to do by the administration. I find their behavior more despicable.</p>
<p>I may be flamed for this, but I can’t get over McQuery not calling the police over what he saw in the shower. What if he had been abused in some way by Sandusky when he was a boy? Remember, they lived in the same neighborhood, and McQuery grew up with his children. I am not saying that he was raped, but what if something inappropriate happened, and it all came flooding back? Everything is speculation, but when I try to put the pieces of the puzzle together, this makes sense to me. I may be totally off base. I just don’t understand his not saying anything at the time.</p>
<p>Hunt, Some have speculated that since the boy saw him, he may have feared being identified as a witness if it came out, as to reason he reported it the next day.</p>
<p>GA also may have feared the loss of his position at the U, for the reason he did not act at the time.</p>
<p>I hesitate to wade into this, but the McQ discussion is unbelievably dismaying. I can categorically say that if my adult son witnessed a child being attacked by one man, much older than him and no weapon involved, the thing he’d be afraid of isn’t intervening–the thing he’d be afraid of is calling his father to tell him he’d left instead of intervening.</p>
<p>Oh gosh. I didn’t realize he still had an office in the facility.</p>
<p>Regardless of what anyone here thinks, this is going to get really ugly for Penn STate.</p>
<p>I feel badly for the students of the school…</p>
<p>They are not going to the same school they matriculated at anymore.</p>
<p>jym626. She informed the police, which is much more than Joe Paterno or anyone else at Penn State did, and tried to scare off a crime in process. By this reckoning Joe Paterno did not give a damn about a 10 year old being molested by a close associate.</p>
<p>… The GA didn’t call his father that second, while witnessing the event. He called when he got home, IIRC…</p>
<p>Hunt, your legalistic blinders are making your posts seem like an apologist. Read the USA Today story today. Are you upset Bin Laden never got his trial?</p>
<p>Paterno serve(d)s on Second Mile’s Honorary Board of Directors. </p>
<p>Where I may be stretching is I think JoePa is an intelligent guy. It is possible he is as dumb as a brick, oblivious to everything around him except pigskin, and easily taken for a ride, and suffering from dementia for the past decade.</p>
<p>Failing that, I think he is an evil man. He likely knew of what was going on as early as 1998, if not earlier. He certainly knows about pedophilia (I assume - perhaps incorrectly - that he is a Catholic?) After 2002, he allowed (enabled) Sandusky and the Second Mile - of which he is an Honorary Director - to make use of Penn State facilities, and provided him with an office.</p>
<p>I’m actually hoping for dumb as a brick.</p>
<p>Outside my office, I saw a man violently abusing a woman linguistically, and occasionally grabbing at her. I did not know whether he had a knife (or a gun). I walked out of my office, and from across the street, I yelled in my most authoritative voice, “We don’t do things like that in MY neighborhood.” They froze. I said it again - came closer, but always with at least one car between us. Neighbors came out on the porch. My wife beckoned to the woman, and walked briskly off with her. Later, we took her to a battered women’s shelter. Someone called the police. They never came.</p>
<p>The more I think about this, the more I believe Penn State needs to cancel the game Saturday. I think in the long run, this will help. It will say to the world that human beings come before football and profit. I don’t see what else they can do. A token moment of silence isn’t enough.</p>
<p>garland, wow, good point!</p>
<p>The indictment says the GA called his dad from his office and his dad told him to leave the building and come home. Again- not the best decision in hindsight. Same can be said for the fact that there was not some “follow up”, whatever that entails, when Curley and Shultz said they would “look into it”. All I am saying is the righteous indignation is a bit over the top. Let due process run its course.</p>
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Unfortunately, we keep going around in circles in this discussion, because lots of people seem think they know all the facts they need to know. But they don’t, really.</p>
<p>The grand jury believed McQueary’s testimony, but would it have been as believable if there were no other allegations of abuse against Sandusky? If it had been the only incident, there would have been (presumably) a denial by Sandusky that anything improper happened, and the testimony of Curley and Schultz (and maybe Paterno as well) would have cast McQueary’s testimony in doubt. Remember, there is absolutely no other evidence (as far as I know) of this incident other than what McQueary says about it now. No victim, no other witness, no physical evidence. And even the people who believe McQueary’s testimony–like most of the people on this thread–can’t understand why he did what he did.</p>