<p>Anderson Cooper 360 @ 10:00pm on CNN is discussing the case right now.</p>
<p>chocoholic, right. One difference with McQueary is that the Grand Jury found his testimony credible. Not so with Curley, Schulz, and Paterno.</p>
<p>LasMa- where did you find the GJ did not find Paterno’s testimony credible?</p>
<p>By the way how do any of you know that Schultz took the information he had to the DA and was told there was not enough evidence- no victim, one witness and Sandusky would deny the story. It was the same DA that would not charge on the 1998 case maybe he also would not charge in 2002.</p>
<p>Ohio- the relative is referencing he would not have covered up for them in 2002 or after.</p>
<p>Poetgrl. right on the nose. no one seems to have followed up on the child. Not Paterno, the GA, no one from Penn State. It seems that it was much easier for people to do the bare minimum and then back away.</p>
<p>Penn State made a big deal about their moral superiority. “Success with Honor” is the motto of their athletic department. You can describe this situation in a lot of ways, but the word “honor” is not one of them. Paterno is now hiding from any public statement. There have been a couple of hints he may speak, but nothing. His son said he wanted to speak at the news conference, but the university cancelled it. Two things on that. One, Joe Paterno answered to no one at that university. Until the trustees stepped in to end his career, no one could have prevented him from talking. and Two, what is stopping him now? </p>
<p>So what we are left with is the fact that because he did the bare minimum in 2002 that more kids were subjected to this horror, at the hands of a close associate of his. All of the Penn State Hierarchy responsible should be fired. And it sounds like there will be a full house cleaning of the football program, which is also justified. </p>
<p>No one informed the authorities of the 2002 incident. The fact that the charge was made against a former associate of Paterno makes this stink to high heaven, and the stench will attached to Penn State for a very long time. This institution put the football program ahead of the safety of children, that is the lesson the rest of the country is learning from this act.</p>
<p>Are you sure the investigation never attempted to locate the child? I have not seen anything that says Schultz did or did not attempt to identify who the child was. You may well be correct but again as an attorney would say that is conjecture. The witness can not testify to something they do not know. </p>
<p>I will ask again are the victims better served by rushing to judgment with incomplete information and possible erroneously blaming the wrong person or truly having all the information and placing blame where it deserves to be placed?</p>
<p>My sister is a kindergarten instructional assistant. One of her students used to come to school unwashed and hungry, and she would bring in clothes her older son had outgrown and clean packages of underwear. Eventually he came to school with bruises, and she asked him what happened. He felt safe enough to tell her. My sister had reported that the child told her he had been kicked in the stomach and head by mom and the boyfriend. She notified the head teacher and principal, and she filed a report with CPS. </p>
<p>CPS did an investigation (the social worker didn’t visit the family until a month later) and closed the case due to “insufficient evidence,” though the investigator never spoke to my sister. The mother and boyfriend were asked to clean her home and not spank the child with anything more than a hand. My sister called the social worker after the case was closed to protest. </p>
<p>Eight weeks later, the little boy was dead after 38 inflicted blunt force injuries, which the coroner said had occurred over an extended period of time. Mother and boyfriend were convicted of reckless homicide and manslaughter. My sister testified at the trial. </p>
<p>The CPS was cited for at least six significant errors during the investigation; however, the social worker’s failure to contact my sister, who had brought the situation to their attention, was apparently NOT an error, according to the reprimand from the state’s Family and Health Services Department. The investigating social worker now works in another county. </p>
<p>It’s been over four years and my sister still can’t mention his name without crying. She still wishes she could have done more. She mourns that little boy as much as she mourns her own son who died at three months old.</p>
<p>And every Christmas, she adopts a little boy the same age as her student who needs a Secret Santa. And she still loves the hell out of her students.</p>
<p>So regarding the GA, I have a hard time believing he could witness such abuse and remain silent. How could he live with himself? What if it were his child?</p>
<p>tom, the victims would have been better served if someone, anyone, had done what simple decency demanded.</p>
<p>Question – who or what is the GA?</p>
<p>Yeah, the victims would have been better served by rushing to something.</p>
<p>In that same article from the cafe you referenced in an earlier post, Tom, there is a quote from Paterno from this past week in which he said he wanted to “clarify” his GJ testimony and in which he said he stopped Mcqueary “before he got too graphic” and had him speak 10 days later (10 DAYS LATER!) to the others.</p>
<p>So, why would you cut it off before it got to graphic and send him along to someone else?</p>
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<li> because you don’t want to be responsible</li>
<li> because you choose not to know</li>
<li> all of the above.</li>
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<p>Either way, just here, he did not do enough. He did not take responsibility. He “passed the buck” to people who were far less powerful than he was. </p>
<p>So sad for all those boys.</p>
<p>tom1944, I asked that question in #1439. Have not seen anything to indicate that the GA was interviewed to help identify the boy.</p>
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<p>Graduate assistant. Oy vey.</p>
<p>In terms of running an investigation Paterno was not more powerful than Schultz. I also wonder about why they waited 10 days. Paterno went to the AD but the AD and Schultz took ten days to meet with the GA- graduate assistant. That would indicate to me they were not told it was child rape by Paterno. What they were told when they finally met with McQuery is up to a judge or jury to decide.</p>
<p>Countingdown- they may not have asked about the boy and when we find out for sure I will judge them for what they did or did not do.
I am sure of one thing a 28 year old man says he left a 10 year old boy being raped. For now I find that despicable. Once I have more information I am sure I will have plenty of disgust to go around. I would just like to direct it where it really belongs.</p>
<p>Oh, gotcha. I’ve transitioned to “McQueary” in my posts, but GA is certainly easier to type.</p>
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<p>It would indicate to me that no one had any sense of urgency about this. The 10 days stretched into 9 years.</p>
<p>they were not told it was child rape by Paterno because Paterno, as you can see in that article you referenced, did not want to know any more. This is where he will spend the rest of his life second guessing himself if he has half a heart and 1/10th the “honor” he liked to talk about. </p>
<p>At any rate, I’m not discussing legal culpability, just moral responsibility.</p>
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<p>Perhaps she found it in the fact that the grand jury did <em>not</em> find Paterno’s testimony credible, as I’ve pointed out before? They didn’t find it “not credible,” either. They made no finding on his credibility, and I find that rather significant.</p>
<p>^^ And they found McQueary’s testimony “extremely credible.”</p>
<p>Nice try, but this isn’t about student athletes and as the NCAA pres stated they haven’t violated any NCAA rules. THis is a criminal case and with Paterno & McQueary a case of moral missteps. Read the bylaws of the NCAA before you post.</p>
<p>The report says that Curley and Schultz testimony was not credible. the AG actually said they found Paterno’s testimony credible–that’s why we was not charged with perjury.</p>
<p>What about the janitors? Didn’t two of them witness Sandusky in the shower with a child in 2000. They also failed to stop Sandusky. They talked among themselves and reported it to the janitorial supervisor – who did WHAT?</p>