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I previously thought that perhaps Curley and Schultz might have been trying to pass the buck to Second Mile, but if (big if) what Second Mile posted on their website is ver batim what they (Raykovitz et al) were told, then agree that it was deliberately misleading.</p>
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Thank you, ttparent. that is what I was trying to say. None of us, with absolute certainty, can say what we would do in any situation.</p>
<p>Thank you for returning, YDS. Agree that the thread has flown fast, things are repeated multiple times, and this is an emotionally charged topic. There were a few posters, one was I believe parent57, who said they would not continue to post here. <a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/13445326-post1570.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/13445326-post1570.html</a></p>
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<p>If the vast majority of people do wrong, if I do wrong, it is still wrong.</p>
<p>Was going to stay away from this thread, but one more comment based on recent discussion: I keep hearing the argument “no one knows what they’d do, given X situation.” But even conceding that, if I did not do what was right (protect a child), I’d still be wrong. And I would be absolutely deserving of being called so. If we base what we can call wrong and unacceptable on what we personally have the stomach for, rather than on our conception of what a good person *should *do, what kind of people are we?</p>
<p>ADad, I don’t think anyone is disputing that.</p>
<p>It may be human reaction tomreact badly in a crisis, but a week later, there was no panic mode, there was a meeting, and they had time to ponder their decisions. And still they did nothing. That to me shows their true character. Were they afraid that because they said and did nothing right away, that saying something the next day, a few days or a week later would make them look bad? they were not the victims, they were the people with power and control and experience, and yes training, a coach, head police and atheltic director all should have had training in what to with child abuse and assualt allegations. </p>
<p>Seems odd that in one breath some are saying he was Penn state police and in another he panaiced. Doesn’t say much for his abilities. Also, conflict of interest abounds at Penn state and ethically they should have reported to an outside agency and not winked and nudged at each other</p>
<p>^^^ I think everyone would agree McQueary was morally wrong to leave that boy. It’s just that some of us concede that we can understand why he did what he did.</p>
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<p>No one has said that McQueary was a member of the Penn State police. No one has said that Schultz panicked. I think you are conflating two separate things.</p>
<p>Anyone else feel like we need a playbook, or maybe cliff-notes that breaksdown the characters, plot, timeline and analysis of this whole thing? The GJ’s report is not that easy to follow.</p>
<p>This one is not bad:</p>
<p>[Penn</a> State Scandal: Timeline of sex abuse scandal that has rocked Happy Valley - NY Daily News](<a href=“College Sports News - New York Daily News”>Penn State Scandal: Timeline of sex abuse scandal that has rocked Happy Valley)</p>
<p>vlines, I do wish the victims had been numbered chronologically. Or that the CJ report was written chronologically. It is difficult to follow. But a line a couple of pages ago from one of the newspapers had a nice timeline.</p>
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consolation I agree unless different information is forth coming, Curley and Schultz had not only knowledge of what happened but the power, authority and responsibility to** report and act. ** They did at best the bare minimum.</p>
<p>vlines, thank you for posting Coach Pelini’s remarks; one commentator said that the video should be required viewing for every football fan. It was another Nebraska coach who led the prayer at midfield.</p>
<p>My sense of morality has been questioned for “defending” McQueary for not intervening when he witnessed the rape. I suspect that everyone agrees that McQueary should have intervened, and had any of us been in that situation we would all hope to have the fortitude to do so. However, talk is cheap and projecting one’s heroism in a crisis betrays a certain arrogance in my view. Actions often fall short of intentions. </p>
<p>There are an incredible amount of what ifs that can make Hamlets out of eyewitnesses. Will Sandusky freak out and kill the child? Do you walk out and confront them both? Do you make loud noises while dialing 911? Do you go try to beat the cr@@ out of Sandusky right there, and if you tried, would you win? When faced with such a bizarre and shocking situation, the outcome really is not certain and doubt can creep in.</p>
<p>I do not disagree with anyone who says that he should have intervened. I think that I would have intervened. My disagreement is with the condemnation of his “cowardice” by others who have never been in that situation and are bravely speculating about what they would have done. I believe all of the posters who say that they would have stepped in truly mean what they say, but I don’t believe anybody can accurately predict what they would do in a crisis before they face it. That is why heroism is revered, not everyone is capable of it. </p>
<p>Perhaps soldiers, firefighters, and police officers trained to deal with crises have a better idea of how they would face it, but sometimes even they fall short of the heroism they aspire to as well. The soldiers killed Pat Tilman and an Ahgan ally, and wounded a couple of other Army Rangers, did not follow their training and severely overreacted to a situation that was not an actual crisis, and fired repeatedly before identifying their targets as trained.</p>
<p>McQueary had a chance to be the hero by intervening to save a child. I suspect many posters will scoff and say that intervening under those facts is not heroic, merely common decency. I view saving someone from harm in a crisis by putting oneself at personal risk as heroic, something more than common decency, even if it is the action we think that an adult should take. I think reporting the crime was common decency - with an emphasis on common. I hope for a lot out of people, but I do not expect as much from them as I hope for. By waiting a day to report what he saw to the most powerful man on campus, McQueary showed weakness, not evil, unless he is further implicated in a cover up.</p>
<p>Agreed, consolation. I think ther must be some confusion between who panicked (McQueary) and who oversaw the police (Schultz).</p>
<p>And for the umpteenth time, no one is saying that McQueary’s decision was the right decision. It is just that some of us can understand it, as yds said well in post 1787. And as for the continued question of why he didn’t do more, or something else later, we simply do not know what he did or didn’t do, or to whom he spoke. It is just as likely that Schultz/Curley gave him the same line of bunk ( “our police are investigating it” as they gave to Second Mile. Maybe some think that McQueary should have demanded that he speak directly to the police. Again, who knows what he was told or led to believe. We haven’t heard from him yet on this.</p>
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<p>Bogney, the problem is, he didn’t report it later. I can understand panicking and freezing in the moment. What I CANNOT understand is keeping silent for 9 years. That’s not weakness, that’s moral bankruptcy.</p>
<p>From the previously quoted Washington Post [At</a> Penn State’s stadium, profanity, scorn greet one father’s protest - Washington Times](<a href=“http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/nov/12/penn-state-stadium-profanity-scorn-joe-paterno/?page=1article:]At”>http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/nov/12/penn-state-stadium-profanity-scorn-joe-paterno/?page=1article:)
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<p>Is the travesty. Universities all over the country are selling their souls in the name of having a successful Div 1 football or basketball program. This scandal is another symptom.</p>
<p>vline:
Here are some “playbooks”
[The</a> Penn State Child Abuse Scandal: A Guide And Timeline : NPR](<a href=“The Penn State Child Abuse Scandal: A Guide And Timeline : NPR”>The Penn State Child Abuse Scandal: A Guide And Timeline : NPR)</p>
<p>[Key</a> dates in the Penn State Nittany Lions sex abuse case - ESPN](<a href=“http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7212054/key-dates-penn-state-nittany-lions-sex-abuse-case]Key”>Key dates in the Penn State Nittany Lions sex abuse case - ESPN)</p>
<p>[Penn</a> State Sex Abuse Case Timeline](<a href=“FOX 29 News Philadelphia”>FOX 29 News Philadelphia)</p>
<p>[Penn</a> State Scandal Timeline: Key Dates In The Jerry Sandusky Sex Abuse Case - The Huffington Post](<a href=“HuffPost - Breaking News, U.S. and World News | HuffPost”>HuffPost - Breaking News, U.S. and World News | HuffPost)</p>
<p>“By waiting a day to report what he saw to the most powerful man on campus, McQueary showed weakness, not evil, unless he is further implicated in a cover up.”</p>
<p>It is Paterno who is evil, not McQueary.</p>