Plagiarism Standards at Harvard: The Claudine Gay Story

Here they are side by side…

Jennifer L. Hoschschild, in a book published in 1996:

“thanking someone who ‘showed me the importance of getting the data right and of following where they lead without fear or favor’ and ‘drove me much harder than I sometimes wanted to be driven’.

Dr. Gay, in her dissertation:

“thanking an adviser who ‘reminded me of the importance of getting the data right and following where they lead without fear or favor’, and her family who ‘drove me harder than I sometimes wanted to be driven’.”

Coincidence, laziness, plagiarism?

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The President of Harvard has to sign off on all disciplinary actions against students. You really think she could do that?
If she stays, Harvard needs to not pursue plagarism charges against anyone, and apologize to those students currently on suspension and invite them back immediately . To do anything else is the epitome of hypocrisy.
A decent person would have resigned by now.

Perhaps Dr. Swain could replace her. Or Randy Kennedy at the law school. They do not seem ethically challenged.

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Whatever you call it, the demand that someone should be fired and their career ruined decades later because they included this in and acknowledgement is ludicrous.

This seems to be the exact sort of thing Harvard’s guidebook is referencing:

(I)ncidents vary in seriousness and in circumstance. Many students have at some point in their careers obliviously or lazily incorporated a few phrases from a source, or simply absorbed a basic idea from a source that should probably have been cited. In such cases, the plagiarized material represents an insignificant contribution to the paper in question.

At worst it is a few phrases that may (or may not) have been obliviously or lazily copied a few decades ago, about a common sentiment of gratefulness that deserved no attribution in and of itself. It’d have been better if Gay had been more careful to make sure she hadn’t used the same phrases as someone else, but it is not anywhere near a fireable offense decades after the fact.

See also @DigitalDad’s similar sentiment above.

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In other words, cheat but make sure it stays hidden for years should be Harvard policy

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  • For undergraduates with minimal college research and writing experience.

Too many identical words for it to be a coincidence. Hochschild’s book appeared two years before Gay received her Ph.D. I imagine Gay was nearing the end of her dissertation and was searching for a “template” for acknowledgement. She read Hochschild’s acknowledgement, really liked it, and decided to borrow it. It’s not super critical, but as a faculty member I would have liked my students to come up with theirs, boringly written or not. It is impossible for Gay to not know the importance of using her own words in all her academic work and giving credit where credit is due with citations. I don’t think this practice has changed from the 90s to the present.

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Yes that is exactly what I said. Thank you so much for accurately and sympathetically rephrasing what I wrote. :roll_eyes:

When she wrote the passage in question, she was a student at Harvard.

But as for your disavowal of the source you presented, Harvard disagrees:

Avoiding Plagiarism

When you write papers in college, your work is held to the same standards of citation as the work of your professors.

That is Harvard 's stated policy but obviously the actual policy is different, case in point, Pres. Gay. The hypocrisy is a big part of the problem.

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In other words, it’s not just that there’s no longer a question of whether the emperor has any clothes.

It’s that it increasingly looks like theirs is the kind of kingdom that will refuse to acknowledge the obvious.

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Except it is not different. As the Harvard guidebook recognizes, the circumstances, including the intent of the author, the extent of copying, and the significance of the contribution to the paper in question, all matter. This applies to students, graduate students, and professors.

Hypocrisy would be firing her decades later for a few snippets and citation errors over an entire career, when the alleged copying never would have raised any flags because of its triviality. It had little or no significance of the works in question, and never would have been questioned when it was reviewed.

For example, here is the acknowledgement from Dr. Gay’s dissertation, which seems to have everyone so up in arms and going after her scalp. The supposed copying in bold:

I am deeply indebted to and wish to thank the many people who aided me in this dissertation project.

Special thanks is due to Sidney Verba, Gary King, and Katherine Tate whose critical and consistent support encouraged, inspired, and challenged me throughout this project. I owe a great deal, in particular, to Katherine who introduced me to the field of Black Politics, and continued to be both a mentor and a friend long after shehad moved on from Harvard. 1 am also grateful to Gary: as a methodologist, he reminded me of the importance of getting the data right and following where they lead without fear or favor; as an advisor, he gave me the attention and the opportunities I needed to do my best work. His invitation to join the ROAD project was critical to the development ofthis dissertation, providing me with both the data and the experience I needed to get this project offthe ground.

Mark Gersh and Jon Leahy of the National Committee for an Effective Congress deserve special thanks for generously allowing me access to their voting data.

I have also been lucky to count among my colleagues and friends an incredibly talented and intelligent group of graduate students. Whether in the Government Department lounge, in the American Research Workshop, or over lunch in the Square, conversations with several o f my fellow graduate students sparked useful insights that have been incorporated into this work. On a more personal level, their humor and unwavering support saw me through the occasional frustrations of grad school life.

The National Science Foundation, The Graduate School of Arts and Sciences at Harvard University, the Mellon Foundation, the Leadership Alliance, and the Brookings Institution, have all provided critical financial support throughout my graduate career. The Brookings Institution, in particular, not only funded my final year of dissertation writing, but also provided a wonderful place to work. My fellow Fellows, Jennifer Klein and Eric Lawrence, have my gratitude not only for encouraging my progress, but also for distracting me just enough to keep me sane. Seminar participants at Brookings and George Washington University helped me to refine wayward arguments, and to communicate my ideas better. Maurice Heilberg and the staffat Brookings were especially helpful with everything from faxes and FedEx packages, to troublesome printjobs.

I am grateful to Chris Afendulis, an essential colleague and dear friend. Without his intellectual energy, love, sanity, and humor this dissertation would never have been finished.

Finally, I want to thank my family, two wonderful parents and an older brother. From kindergarten through graduate school, they celebrated my every accomplishment, forced me to laugh when I’d lost my sense of humor, drove me harder than I sometimes wanted to be driven, and gave me the confidence that I could achieve. My mother returned to school just as I was preparing to enter the real world. I only hope that I can take some of her courage with me.

Should Gay have been fired for these trite expressions of gratitude, when there is nothing inherently original or especially valuable in the ideas expressed or how they were expressed? Preposterous. There is nothing at all novel about “the importance of getting the data right” or “following where they lead without fear or favor.”

It is the acknowledgement version of common knowledge. The person she supposedly copied didn’t invent or create those notions nor present them in a unique or original way. For example, “Without Fear or Favor” is a common phrase dating back at least a century, and was the title of at least one book. Should the author who Gay allegedly copied have her career ruined as well for not properly crediting those who expressed the same sentiments using the same or similar words in the past?

According to the WaPo article cited above, the aggrieved author found the individual examples of alleged copying “trivial” with “no substantive theft of ideas.”

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The acknowledgements do not interest me in the slightest. The extensive copying in her articles, which she is now correcting, are the basis for her integrity lapses. Yes, her phd advisor should be called to account as well-did anyone actually read the dissertation or was she just given a pass on that by all concerned?

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I generally agree but laziness and insincerity are not a great look for the leader of any large institution.

The cut and paste of the acknowledgment to me says a lot about the person while the plagiarism informs about the scholar. Not a great picture in total.

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It’s an undegradute writing manual. She was a doctoral student. As far as “disavowal”, I am only disavowing the cherry-picking of selective quotes that serve your purposes and that don’t even apply to the specifics of the situation, while you ignore everything else.

And yeah: part of the problem here is exactly that Harvard does NOT treat its own professors with the same scrutiny and standards that it does for its students.

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@mtmind has been valiantly heaving her cutlass in support of the embattled Prez, but what somewhat surprises me is that no one who is an actual Harvard alum or parent of an existing student has joined the fight. Gay’s continuation as the face of Harvard can’t be anything but painful to those who love the institution, but advocating her ouster must also be fraught. I would like to be a fly on the wall when the Harvard Corporation next meets.

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The issue here is simple for me. Would an undergrad at Harvard have been disciplined, or even expelled, for plagiarism on the scale committed by Pres. Gay? If yes - and I think that is the case - then she should be removed from her post.

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It was obviously much more of a result driven process than vice versa when Harvard initially stated that it had cleared Gay of any wrongdoing (in its legal threats against the NY Post) before it started the investigation:

Harvard cleared its president Claudine Gay of plagiarism before it even investigated whether her academic work was copied, The Post reveals today.

In a threatening legal letter to The Post in late October, the college called allegations that she lifted other academics’ work “demonstrably false,” and said all her works were “cited and properly credited.”

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Looking at the examples I’ve seen and treating each paper separately (this would be the case if she was a student) I think it fair to say that not only would she not be disciplined or expelled, I don’t think there would even have been a reasonable basis for a faculty member to even suspect her of academic dishonesty so as to justify a report to a disciplinary Dean.

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I think you have a different read on her many examples of plagiarism than I do.

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I’m interested in the basis for the lawyers statements in their letter to the NY Post. Since it predates any investigation, this can only have come from Gay being asked by the Harvard board and/or the lawyers to confirm that all her works were “cited and properly credited.”

Perhaps @blossom would like to weigh in on what happens to CEOs who lie to their own lawyers and/or board and cause them to make false statements. Or how journalists behave when they have evidence they’ve been lied to.

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Maybe. Or maybe our experiences differ with regard to grading, evaluating, editing written work. Or maybe we view the context of the individual papers differently. For example, I don’t think it reasonable to consider the supposed plagiarism from an article in a publication which published articles without quotes or citations. Yet over a quarter of the allegations come from such an article.

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