Plagiarism Standards at Harvard: The Claudine Gay Story

Read the usernames you quoted in your comment…

I’m not sure I can help you more than that.

YoLo2 vs DarkMatter565 :roll_eyes:

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My mistake. Sorry. Then to address your post. I wasn’t referring to you. :rofl:

I assume this is a ham-handed way of implying that Gay’s mistakes were also “minor and inconsequential”? Reality check: If you are making official corrections to your doctoral dissertation and subsequent professional published papers, things have gone far beyond the “minor and inconsequential” stage.

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Except she didn’t do these things as the president of Harvard.

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Gotta love when someone doesn’t even realize that the phrase “double-standard” doesn’t just mean two sets of standards: it means “a rule or principle which is unfairly applied in different ways to different people or groups.” (Oxford Dictionary)

Do you really think that a doctoral dissertation or a published scholarly journal article shouldn’t have higher standards than a first-year undergrad writing assignment?

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Of the 39 allegations against Gay listed in an article linked by @hebegebe earlier:

• 10 were from a 1993 journal article and 8 from her 1997 Ph.D. dissertation, when she was still a student

• 2 were from a 2002 journal article, when she was Assistant Professor at Stanford

• 7 were from a 2012 journal article and 2 from a 2014 working paper, when she was Full Professor at Harvard

• 10 were from a 2017 journal article, when she was Dean at Harvard

About half were from her doctoral student days. The rest were committed when she rose through the ranks. That’s not exactly one-off or “I didn’t know the rule.”

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Please stay on-topic. There are threads focused on topics related to Harvard outside of the plagiarism discussion that is appropriate here.

On a separate note, happy holidays to all!! Please be kind to each other (and allow mods to enjoy their holidays :smiley:).

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I think Dr Gay plagiarized.

Happy Holidays!!

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I think she she plagiarized and also think she should be sacked.

Feliz Navidad :christmas_tree:

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Except she didn’t do these things as the president of Harvard.

It doesn’t matter whether she did those things as President of Harvard or before. She still did those things.

If I lied about my education and experience to my first employer and then using that experience eventually become CEO of the another company decades later, the new company would still fire me if this initial lie was uncovered. It wouldn’t matter that I hadn’t lied to my new company while CEO but the very fact that I had lied in the first place.

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You said the President of Harvard should be held to a higher standard, with which I agree. However, that’s not what you’re doing. You’re holding a (then) student to the standard you now want to apply to the President of Harvard. Not the same.

Moving on.

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Unless you are Richard Gonzalez of ABBVIE :woman_shrugging: https://www.reuters.com/article/hold-for-la-abbott-executive-resume-idUSL1E8KSC6220120928/

Separately, I also think Pres Gay plagiarized.

She was hampered in her ability to do her job after her Congressional appearance, now there’s no chance she can do her job…not today, not in six months, not in a year. Post-plagiarism news, the calls for her resignation have become far broader than political persuasion. Neither one of her missteps, or whatever one wants to call them, are going away. None of this is going to blow over.

Happy Holidays all!

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Don’t know who “you” is here. But Gay was a doctoral candidate and then a professor at two institutions when she plagiarized. She did this in the process of building her resume that eventually got her hired as the president of Harvard.

I have no idea what possible hairs can be attempted to be split to conclude that she shouldn’t be treated with a higher standard than an undergrad. Harvard should be very concerned about a lawsuit that she wasn’t even treated with the same standard as an undergrad would have been.

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Unless you are Richard Gonzalez of ABBVIE :woman_shrugging: https://www.reuters.com/article/hold-for-la-abbott-executive-resume-idUSL1E8KSC6220120928/

That’s interesting. Investors could have voted him out if they wanted to.

Investors approved of his performance which is why he remained in position despite his lies.

I can’t imagine the ‘investors’ (donors) behind Harvard approve of Claudine Gay’s performance which is why they’re less forgiving of her lies.

If I was being a cynical person, if Claudine Gay had been performing well as leader, people would have overlooked her plagiarism to a much larger degree. That’s just my suspicion.

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President of Harvard should be held to a higher standard, with which I agree. However, that’s not what you’re doing. You’re holding a (then) student to the standard you now want to apply to the President of Harvard. Not the same.

I’m holding the person who occupies the position of the President of Harvard to a higher standard, yes. While she occupies the position, her past actions can be judged in the context of the position she currently occupies.

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Happy holidays!!!

Special thanks to the person who posted the NY Post links. I’m not in the habit of reading that publication, but there is some absolute gold in the wild threats and accusations that Gay’s/Harvard’s crack (crackpot?) legal team sent to try to squelch publication beforehand.

This one is my favorite, where they claim that the plagiarism complaints weren’t actually legitimate complaints because they had to have been produced by ChatGPT. :rofl: :clown_face:

Is this the best legal representation that Harvard’s substantial endowment can buy?