Plame leaker comes forward

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Driver, driver. Sigh. See, that’s not how it works. If the NYT leaks classified information about anti-terror campaigns, like, oh, how we track the flow of money from al-Qaeda, that’s free speech and the public interest. When someone with a fair amount of credibilty makes a completely false statement, pointing out that his statement is false is, naturally, illegal, actionable, and sinking to new lows.</p>

<p>Boiling down the other side, they seem to be saying, “Well, we don’t care if Joseph Wilson was not officially sent to Niger; we don’t care if his wife was the one who arranged this little trip; if you point out any of this, you are trying to destroy her career.” Um, if you’re a covert CIA agent, don’t send your high-profile husband to Niger for your own political aims. It’s not hard.</p>

<p>Ariesathena, what’s your source for the assertion that “Joseph Wilson was not officially sent to Niger … his wife was the one who arranged this little trip”? Because that’s not what the Senate Committee report says. Or are facts irrelevant now?</p>

<p>Here is the Washington Post’s analysis of Wilson’s trip to Niger based on the Senate intelligence committee report:</p>

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<a href=“http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A39834-2004Jul9.html[/url]”>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A39834-2004Jul9.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>DRJ4 - the text of the Senate Report, though redacted in parts, is available online. “Interpretations” aren’t needed. The process that resulted in Wilson being sent to Niger is described in straightforward terms. Although there is some murkiness about Plame’s involvement (Did she “offer up his name”? Did she “recommend” him? Some unnamed people vaguely remember that that might have happened, others don’t) there’s no ambiguity about the fact that the decision to send Wilson was made by people above Plame, at meetings that she did not participate in, and that Wilson was “officially” sent to Niger by the US Government. None of that makes a whole lot of difference to anything, of course. But the casual “truth creep” that takes hold of events when people take sides and decide to make the “other guys” look bad is regrettable. And AA’s post did just that - pushed the truth just a little too far. Why? Dunno. Ask AA.</p>

<p>Kluge,</p>

<p>If you cannot accept the interpretations of this contemporaneous Washington Post article, please provide a link so we can discuss the report and, hopefully, clarify this issue.</p>

<p><a href=“http://intelligence.senate.gov/iraqreport2.pdf[/url]”>http://intelligence.senate.gov/iraqreport2.pdf&lt;/a&gt; Pages 39-41 describe the meetings, etc.</p>

<p>Kluge,</p>

<p>Thank you for the link. After reading the Niger section of the Intelligence Committee Report, I believe the Washington Post article accurately summarizes Plame’s role in sending her husband to Niger. Here is the relevant paragraph:</p>

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<p>For anyone who wants to pursue the issue in greater depth than Kluge has chosen, the relevant passages, including conclusions of all parties involved extends to p. 46. It’s worth noting that those pages (39-46, inclusive) are the actual original document pages, but you will have to add 10 “pdf pages” to use the Adobe count: i.e., your AdobeAcrobat pages will read 49-56 as you scroll. But whatever pagination you choose, don’t leave off the conclusions.</p>

<p>DRJ4: Please pay attention. I didn’t take exception to the Post’s comments. I took exception to Ariesathena’s assertion that “Joseph Wilson was not officially sent to Niger … his wife was the one who arranged this little trip”? Just as you consider the Post or New York Times to be partisan, I assume that the staff authors of the Senate report are partisan Republicans, who would include any tidbit unfavorable to critics of the Iraq war. Even with that, there’s no support for the claim that “Wilson was not officially sent to Niger” and the vaguer assertion that his wife “arranged” his appointment goes beyond even the gossip-level tidbits in the Senate report.</p>

<p>Again, not important in the grand scheme of things. The thing that does strike me as significant (as I have said from day 1) is not the claim of a law violation, but the gossipy nastiness of the attack on Joe Wilson. So his wife recommended him for the trip. So what? If a peer, or mentor, or co-worker had recommended hem, would that be fodder for the political gossip mills? The fact that Plame’s role is still, here, treated as being anything other than misogynistic gossip rationally unrelated to his actual qualifications, or his actual unforgiveable sin in the eyes of those who attack him - he was right about Niger not selling uranium to Iraq - is what strikes me as interesting. And I’m frankly surprised to see Ariesathena buy into it.</p>

<p>The gossipy nastiness lay in Wilson’s multiple false claims that the president of the United States deliberately “lied” and then tried to use the powers of high office to “punish” him and his soccer-mom wife. I am frankly not surprised to see Kluge continue to flog this long-ago deceased horse.</p>

<p>I used to have a humorous speech in Toastmasters that went something like this:
Speakers who walk around are trying to run away from the stuff they just said.
Speakers who use alot of arm motions are trying to push away the crap of their topic.
Speakers who leans or holds the lecturn/podium are trying to save themselves from sinking into the muck of their words. </p>

<p>Remember, EF Hutton?</p>

<p>Kluge,</p>

<p>I am paying attention. Thank you for your concern.</p>

<p>I agree that Joseph Wilson was officially sent to Niger. I also agree with Ariesathena that his wife, Valerie Plame, arranged the trip. The Senate Intelligence Committee (a bipartisan committee) clearly addressed and established her role in sending her husband to Niger. Your critique of Ariesathena’s offhand comment regarding this issue is nit-picky. Occasionally I am nit-picky, too, when it comes to matters that I care about. My guess is that you really care about this but I don’t see why. The Plame-Wilson affair is a dead-end for all but the most extreme Democrats.</p>

<p>The more that this story is near the forefront; It will constantly remind people on the reason or nonreason to start and stay in a conflict of our own making.</p>

<p>There’s just one thing in this thread that’s been bothering me since I first read it and even after all this time I have to respond to it no matter what anyone thinks of me for doing it.</p>

<p><a href=“In%20my%20best%20RoseAnne%20Roseannadanna%20voice”>quote</a> “Never mind…”

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<p>That was Emily Litella, not RoseAnne Roseannadanna. :D</p>

<p>Really, this is the time for all the liberals who ranted about Rove and Bush and Cheney to come forward with their mea culpa.</p>

<p>But that would be expecting too much…I mean integrity. </p>

<p>You know who you are…the former thread is still out their in cyberspace…I expect some sleuth :slight_smile: will take the time to dig it up, at some point. Get in on this one while it is still an intellectual bargain.</p>

<p>That last post of FS’s just deserves a hearty LOL!</p>

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But we all know what happens to apostate Roman orators, don’t we?</p>

<p>I am, for once, completely speechless. Rove-bashing goobers/Blumenthal fans, take note.

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<p><a href=“http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/06/AR2006090601648_pf.html[/url]”>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/06/AR2006090601648_pf.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Great article. My only quibble is that he implies that only the journalists owe an apology. I think a large apology is also due from the Democratic Party who trumped this whole thing up for no other reason than to gain political gain. The sad thing is that it worked.</p>