Closer to home and easy to look at is Stonehill. It was the hot school in our MetroWest town with 5 graduates attending. They did well with merit, as well.
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Below are my guesses as to what your sonâs chances may be at the schools on your current list.
Extremely Likely (80-99+%)
- Arizona State
- Bryant
- Indiana U.
Likely (60-79%)
Toss-Up (40-59%)
- Rutgers
- UConn
- UMass-Amherst
Lower Probability (20-39%)
- Bentley
- U. of Maryland
- U. of Wisconsin â Madison
Low Probability (less than 20%
- Babson
Very Low Probability (less than 5%)
- Boston College
- Boston U.
- UVA
- Emory
- WUSTL
- UNC
- Northwestern
If looking for some schools with higher likelihoods of acceptance that are preferably in urban locations and offer entrepreneurship programs, these are some schools your son may want to consider, some of which have already been mentioned. They are categorized by my guesses as to what your sonâs chances for admission may be.
Extremely Likely
- Butler (IN): About 4400 undergrads in Indianapolis
- Loyola Chicago (IL): Abou 12k undergrads
- Saint Josephâs (PA ): About 5100 undergrads in Philadelphia
- Suffolk (MA): About 4400 undergrads in Boston
- U. of Cincinnati (OH): About 30k undergrads and also has a co-op model (similar to Northeastern)
- U. of St. Thomas (MN): About 5900 undergrads in Minneapolis
- Xavier (OH): About 4900 undergrads in Cincinnati
Likely
- DePaul (IL): About 14k undergrads in Chicago
- Drexel (PA ): About 14k undergrads and has a co-op model (similar to Northeastern)
- U. of Arkansas : About 26k undergrads in Fayetteville
- U. of Houston (TX): About 38k undergrads
Toss-Up
- CUNY Baruch: About 15k undergrads in New York City
- Texas Christian : About 11k undergrads in Fort Worth
- U. of Minnesota â Twin Cities : About 39k undergrads
- U. of San Francisco (CA): About 6k undergrads
Lower Probability
Low Probability
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Thank you. Indiana seems easy but very reachy if to the business school. My son likes business (entrepreneurship or Finance) first, econ second.
Howâre about Syracuse, PennState, FSU, Ohio state, Tulane, Virginia Tech as others suggested above?
I donât know much about business majors. Given the acceptance likelihood, what do you guys think a âgoodâ business program should have?
Note in post 11, I listed some of the top entrepreneurship schools - and as you noted with an urban vibe. Itâs a unique sub major and some of the schools with a focus, arenât normally your biggest names - like a Charleston or Houston.
You are correct on IU as I noted above. The student will not be accepted to Kelley.
Syracuse is a match if you demonstrate interest but since you are full pay maybe a likely if ED. Itâs gotten more competitive though. Iâd strongly consider TO.
I donât get Penn State. You specifically said urban and itâs far from it. Now if you said Pitt or even Temple itâd make more sense. That said PSU is a yes but not into business. Maybe even a branch. But I think In at the main but not business.
FSU - maybe first year abroad. Big reach though.
Ohio State - you have a chance if you are ranked as high as you say. Target.
Tulane - gotta go TO and EDâŠyou never know but a reach. Full pay helps here. And Syracuse.
Va Tech - similar in feel to PSU (not urban) - like schools in my opinion. Target - I think you get in and easier to get into the b school.
âwhat do you guys think a âgoodâ business program should have?â - most schools will be fine in course work. Experiential projects, especially in your area of interest, will be helpful.
You need to find a school where youâll fit first and foremost. If you say must be urban, then step one is to remove any completely opposite - PSU and Va Tech and UConn from your first list - and one could argue UMASS too although all these - especially PSU, Va Tech and Umass have everything one needs and Umass and Va Tech amongst the highest rated college food in the country.
Good luck.
https://charleston.edu/school-business/centers-initiatives/center-entrepreneurship/index.php
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Thank you again. What is âTOâ?
Test optional. Your test is too low - it will hurt at those schools mentioned. At a Florida State itâs too low but itâs required.
PSU, Va Tech and UMass are not urban but have towns. If you want urban, itâs not them.
Have you visited any schools ? If not are you able to ?
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I see. I believe after these 7 weeks prep of summer his SAT will be higher, just not sure how much.
And yes the senior year with 5 AP will be challenging so I am not sure how much time he will have for another SAT and App revision.
No we have not visited any colleges yet but the local schools near us like BC, BU, Umass, UConn, Babson.
My son has not decided yet what schools he will visit. He has to focus on the app/essay and SAT prep. He likely will watch online webinars only and go to see the colleges if they will accept him.
Now he also says suburban is OK.
Also, do you think the report (Scattergram) in Scoir is trustworthy? I am looking at it to know how previous year (3) students of this high school have been accepted to colleges.
If your son does attain a higher SAT score, the University of Richmond, which offers excellent business programs, may be within reach.
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Sometimes scores go up, sometimes not. He might try and ACT too. Best to stick with here you are.
If heâs focused on school itâs greatâŠheâs going to have an opportunity at fine schools - I get the sense you see these names and think - thatâs all? These are great schools, I promise.
That youâve visited local schools is helpful - because a BU - is an urban oasis. If he loves that, he might love NYU (not happening) or GW. If he prefers an urban school with a campus, Pitt might fit - and it seems a better fit frankly than Penn State for this student. You can apply early and get an early response - like in Sept/Oct.
Babson/Bentley are small - does he like that? Charleston is small and urban - but has a campus. What did he think of UCONN - havenât been but everyone on here describes it as - nothing nearby. You might take a trip to UNH and URI - those would fit him.
My kids did not have Scoir or Navience. Other parents would have to answer but many seem to use it in advising their kids. Itâs certainly a data point you might look at to get an idea.
One other reach Iâm thinking about - SMU Cox - youâd again apply TO. I think youâd get into SMUâŠalthough the B School would be a stretch.
Some schools - itâs easy to tell if youâd get in - like for an IU Kelley - here is what they require for auto admission so youâd be a no - but as you noted, youâd get into IU (and can try and transfer in).
- Earned the required test score:
- a composite ACT score of at least 30, or
- an SAT score of at least 1370 (Evidence-Based Reading & Writing and Math)
- Earned a cumulative GPA of 3.8 on a 4.0 scale from a single high school. We will use the highest GPA that is sent to IU Admissions from your official high school transcript. In most cases this is the weighted GPA.
Like he said - itâs another data point - but donât rely on it too heavily. For schools that make determinations based mostly on quantitative data (GPA/SAT/ACT) itâs probably more helpful. Depending on the size of your kids school the sample sizes for many schools will be too small to draw much of a conclusion as well. Layer in the program thatâs being applied to, which will have varying acceptance rates, and it gets murky real fast.
Lots of good advice in this thread already. One of the challenges of âbusiness schoolâ is that there are a LOT of them out there and many of them are pretty comparable⊠so your child will need give qualitative criteria to help narrow things down.
While you note there are no cost constraints that doesnât mean cost shouldnât matter. Spending $30K/year at UMass makes way more sense to me than $80K/year at Syracuse.
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Scoir is purely about data, so I wonder if the data there is verified. Several âacceptedâ with super low SAT and GPA compared to what the college claim in CDS.
Anyway, I think itâs just one data point because Sport, Legacy and major breakdown etc are not in all these database.
It can be helpful if the counselors are entering the full data set (which can be difficult to get from students)âŠbut on the scattergrams you wonât be able to tell who was a hooked applicant, or who applied without a test score. (AFAIK there is no way for the counselor to enter the test optional data in Scoir.)
Iâve been to all three of these college campuses and multiple times. NONE are urban or suburban. They are all in their own little town. I spent the longest weekend of my life at URI (with my son). Really, there is very little close to that campus. The campus, however is nice. UNH is in Durham, a great small college town. And UConn is really its own town, although not really urban or suburban in any way.
Would your son consider University of Delaware? What about Providence College?
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Right - and did the kid apply ED/EA/RD? Were they expected to be full pay (for the colleges that are need aware)? The CDS gives you percentiles, not high/low so the fact that the middle 50% SATâs might have been 1200-1350 doesnât mean they didnât accept a kid or two that scored a 950 but had âother stuffâ.
Just consider it another tool/data point - like Niche and other websites, the CDS, etc etc.
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Iâm not a business expert, so Iâll leave it to others who are. But I think there are some questions that your son (and you, to an extent) might want to be thinking about:
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Is there a particular location where he would like to live after college? Although one can land a position from across the country, itâs generally easier if youâre nearby. If heâs interested in entrepreneurship he could be building contacts and connections with others in the area that might be able to get his business off the ground.
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What kind of start-up capital would his business need? If he needs millions of dollars, Iâd look into some kind of school with strong ties to venture capital. But if itâs, say, a couple hundred thousands of dollars, would he be better off going to a less expensive college and having the rest of his college savings go towards his start-up?
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Thank you. Is Michigan state urban? Is it Safety or Reach? I see itâs SAT is 1100 as lowest
but its business program is ranked #21 in USNews
https://premium.usnews.com/best-colleges/michigan-state-2290/applying
Can Michigan state be considered Safety?
Michigan State is tops for supply chain (not your major). Thatâs probably driving the rank you see.
Itâs a very good school and yes itâs safe for your student.
They have both direct admission and secondary - they require a 3.5 so you have a chance. It doesnât say a 3.5 is a guarantee. So you might have to transfer in.
Itâs moreso urban than Penn State and Va Tech.
OK - US News means nothing - zilch, zero, zip. There are many many many fine b schools. Most flagship universities are fine - so please donât go by a magazine. There is no #21. They make it up to sell magazines.
Itâs a fine school though.
Have you looked at Pitt?
Good luck.
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Thank you. Yes I had a quick look at U of Pittsburgh and added it to Target.
SAT 1280-1470, GPA 3.65 average
Does it make sense to apply to Reach by Economic as the first choice and Business as second? It seems Econ is less competitive to be accepted.
My son had a research paper (published in nhsjs.com), and this summer is doing a data analytics research project for a local professor of finance (my friend). He is interested in Econ too. Some parents/friends of mine who sent their kids to Econ praised it, say Econ can do everything Business can, and more.