Pope Speaks Truth -- Muslims Ready to Fight

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<h2>“You see how sensitive bright, rational people are when the words of their founders are perceived as contributing to irrational actions, to violence and evil, even violence and evil that occurred 60 years ago? Even people who don’t feel put upon today? Why would it be so hard to accept that a Lutheran chaplain, sent out by his national church, blessed the SS men who gassed most of my would-be relatives at Treblinka? How much worse it must feel to a bright, rational Muslim when it comes out of the mouth of a supposedly educated and intelligent leader who claims to be wearing the “mantle of peace”, but seems to be bringing “not peace to the world”, but a “sword”, even if but a verbal one.”</h2>

<p>But mini. Lutherans aren’t shooting nuns in the back over WORDS. So assuming the poor Muslim extremist feels as badly as I do, where is the justification for his actions?</p>

<p>And I don’t take issue with discussing the behavior of Germans, some Lutheran pastors included, during WWII; as long as you don’t fail to mention the good behavior along with the bad. But you never do. And not only that, you post links that are inaccurate and full of propoganda not fact. You do not look at issues critically, rather you are blinded by your own personal dislikes and narrow beliefs.</p>

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<p>BUT, we abolished slavery ONLY after great loss of life, why was that even necessary? why was it allowed to go on for hundreds of year…think about that…our country, for 70 years tolerated and embraced it and were too afraid to step up and say no more, it took a WAR to correct a long standing policy in our country</p>

<p>We also had a genocide against many native americans, lesser numbers sure, but equally as bad</p>

<p>We are we so willing to dismiss our horrendous history? Just because some one else did something worse, that in no way makes what we did any better…</p>

<p>We had state approved slavery of other human beings- who were mated at the whim of their owners, who had nothing, who weren’t allowed to read or write, who were subjected to torture, lynchings, beatings, and for centuries our people said okay, and for 70 years after we became a country, we still said okay, we won’t stop you…and finally, it took a war to stop it…</p>

<p>a state allowing something like that to go on is the same as sanctioning it…</p>

<p>It is morally equivelent- you have people that were 3/5th of a human being, and that was in our constitution, morally repugant in my opinion…</p>

<p>Ours just happened 150 years ago, but lasted much much much longer…Hitler was a horrid little man, and what happened during the holocaust was dreadful, but does that make what we did a notch above on the scale of horrendous state actions? to ignore and allow is sanctioning for society</p>

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<p>I FINALLY, for the first time, understand the rationale for people saying: “if you hate it so much, why don’t you leave?” Try Sweden, maybe?</p>

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<p>Btw…this has been bugging me. Martin Luther isn’t the FOUNDER of the Lutheran church. The Lutheran Church is a branch of Protestantism that resulted from the Reformation. Martin Luther is the Father of the Reformation and objected strenuously use of his name in any religion. The Lutheran Church is based on the principals of the Reformation.</p>

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<p>yea but its still CHRISTIANITY.
every people in the denominations in christianity are christians.</p>

<p>its kinda like florida and alaska. 2 completly different states but the people on both the places are Americans.</p>

<p>(this bibilical christianity your taknig about came after 1500s, Oriental and Eastern Orthodox churches are similar to Catholocism. and the crusades were led by mostly the catholics)</p>

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<p>hereshoping…I don’t think they’d like it there. Too many Lutherans in Sweden.</p>

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<p>Yes, CGM, the history of America is “a notch above” the actions of Hitler during the Third Reich. In fact, I will go out on a limb here: America is “head and shoulders” above Nazi Germany.</p>

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I’ve thought that a lot lately, HH! Of course when the bumper sticker was popular in the 60’s we all made fun of it. :(</p>

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<p>Tom,</p>

<p>Thank you. I accept your correction. Catholicism is a branch of Christianity. My earlier comment should have specified Protestantism and Catholicism or used the global term of Western Christianity. However, I trust you understood my substantive point. Like the Pope, I believe that violence has no place in religion.</p>

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<p>“And please, don’t call me any terrorist lover or supporter. The Islamic extremists all want me and my family dead quicker than most of yours; however, I still think ALL extremists are a danger, and to act as if other religions are so superior, and have not had their own dirty history, is a fallacy.”</p>

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<p>Who is denying their dirty laundry here? I think the only topic we haven’t touched upon is Deir Yassin if I’m not mistaken.</p>

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<p>Allmusic,
Are you unaware of or simply choosing to ignore the atrocities committed by secularists as a result of their ideologies? Do you have any idea of how many people were murdered under Stalin, Mao, & Pol Pot?</p>

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<p>Oh, for Pete’s sake, Logos. We weren’t talking about secularists. Yes, of course I am aware of atrocities committed by the Stalins of the world. No one is ignoring such evil. It simply isn’t germane to the present conversation, which was discussing atrocities committed as the result of religious doctrine. Following religious doctrine isn’t exactly a secularist trademark. ;)</p>

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Then I’m confused.</p>

<p>I thought we were talking about world hatred and real threats of violence; are we strictly talking about the threats posed by medieval religion…to the residents of the 21st century? </p>

<p>If it’s 21st century threats to life and liberty there is a great deal more thuggery and violence in current Marxist states like China (1/4 of the world’s population), Cuba, Venezuela and North Korea–all lead by Marxists/secularists despots like Wen Jiabao, Fidel, Hugo and Kim Jong Ill–then by the Vatican, Billy Graham, Rabbi Basil Herring or Hillary (a Methodist). If it’s religious threats to life and liberty I’m not sure where the Pope fits in. On the other hand, Osama and his fellow travelers–as jihadis–are a clear and present threat, as the Pope’s words implied–so much anxious hand-wringing by the christophobes and anti-christ-ites. </p>

<p>As it is, I suppose the religious-haters and christophobes agenda would be severely hampered if it was required to deal with real barbarity and the threats to life and liberty suffered in this world by real people, day to day, in places like China, Havana and, recently, the World Trade Center; I don’t believe Christians were involved.</p>

<p>For these religophobes, Christophobes and hate-America-firsters, there is one solution to all cultural/civic problems: End the religious tradition of American democracy…they look enviously across the sea to Europe----[it would have been different if Europeans hadn’t become lobotomized atheists sucking on the jaundiced teat of the welfare state; then the hate-America-first–via Christianity–crowd might have fallen into a dumb intellectual stupor…what to do?]----They have a not too subtle agenda, with fellow travelers in Nobeliefs.com, Theocracywatch.com…and, regrettably (for all), Fidel, Wen Jiabao and Kim Jong Ill.</p>

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<p>Allmusic,
You’ve posted in several places about the threat of religion. Other than radical Islam, the real threat to most people today, and in the past century, is coming from secularists.</p>

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<p>Luke 12:49-53, the Lord said: </p>

<p>I came to send fire on the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled! But I have a baptism to be baptized with, and how distressed I am till it is accomplished! Do you suppose that I came to give peace on earth? I tell you, not at all, but rather division. For from now on five in one house will be divided: three against two, and two against three. Father will be divided against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against her daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law.</p>

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<p>what the Pope said and the violence done by the muslims kind of relates to the above statement, i guess.</p>

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<p>This is an interesting site for people who like to compare biblical versions/translations. Very comprehensive and well done.</p>

<p><a href=“http://bible.cc/luke/12-49.htm[/url]”>http://bible.cc/luke/12-49.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>how are seculurists a threat? do they want churches closed? do they bug Christian’s phones?</p>

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<p>first…they, from time to time, lack the normal human allowance of humor. But that’s just for starters. </p>

<p>As I always say, god bless the secularist and grant them a sense of humor, for it is noble to grieve but, lord knows, it is divine to laugh.</p>

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<p>sense of humor? or lack there of? that is the reason they are threats? okay, now I have to laugh</p>

<p>that is the most absurd thing I have read this morning, and that is after checking out bill oreilly’s site</p>

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<p>Bouyah! </p>

<p>Exactly my point CGM:
In the cosmology of cc you are as reliable as the sunrise; setting a fixed order and firm conviction; reassuring to everyone’s anxious expectation of the new day rising.</p>

<p>And that! is a wonderful thing. I think I speak for everyone here when I say, “Thanks for being there, CGM.”</p>