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<p>One of my daughter’s friends got HPV, and she was very adamant about telling her friends to get the shot. She has had some rather challenging health problems since getting HPV, and does not want to see any of her friends going through what she’s gone through.</p>
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<p>So, yes, that is a drop in the bucket.</p>
<p>exactly why I am not pushing my D’s to get this. I feel like the marketing by Merck has been so forceful, and it needs more time. I actually know several people who are at Merck and they have not let their D’s take the Gardasil vaccine yet.</p>
<p>Regardless of your feelings on the efficacy or safety of Gardasil, 70% of cervical cancer cases and 90% of genital warts cases is hardly a “drop in the bucket”.</p>
<p>My D got all 3 shots at age 15. She is needle-phobic. She said the shots themselves hurt more than normal shots, and after the second one she had muscle soreness at the injection site (also a bruise, so might have had something to do with the technique of the shot-giver?) But no long term effects.</p>
<p>I have heard that the fluid used to give the shot is sort of “grainy” and that’s why it hurts more than normal shots. Supposedly there is a higher-than-usual incidence of girls fainting after this shot (as compared to other vaccines), but they don’t know if that’s because the shot is painful or if it’s just that girls that age tend to get more tense/emotional.</p>
<p>Supposedly there’s a new formula coming out that’s less painful.</p>
<p>I figure if I didn’t give my kid this shot and she ended up with cervical cancer, I’d never forgive myself.</p>
<p>My sister had the three shots and never complained about any side effects. I’m planning on asking my gyn about it at my next appointment.</p>
<p>“Regardless of your feelings on the efficacy or safety of Gardasil, 70% of cervical cancer cases and 90% of genital warts cases is hardly a “drop in the bucket”.”</p>
<p>70% is significant. But it’s still russian roulette. With more chambers. The problem with covering 70% is if the student believes that they are 100% covered and acts accordingly.</p>
<p>Chocoholic, our family doctor wouldn’t give these vaccinations until last October because he “needed time to evaluate the research.” After he did, he recommended it.</p>
<p>holding out here…first I’ve read about various reactions. </p>
<p>Makes me think about further studies of vaccinations and autism. It appears now they are saying that for some kids this might have caused changes in mitochondria. </p>
<p>Don’t think waiting a bit longer will hurt.</p>
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<p>That is a problem which is easily remedied.</p>
<p>I had a really horrible nurse 2/3 of the time and I had severe pain in my arm. I also got nauseous after the 3rd time and fainted (I got dizzy after the 2nd shot). BUT, I also have a severe phobia of needles and get dizzy/faint all the time from them. The nausea WAS, however, definitely from the shot for me.</p>
<p>I’m not the greatest person to give advice (after all, I also get sick on planes due to altitude sickness), but I think your daughter will be fine on a plane. The nausea (if she gets it) usually goes away after at most 15 minutes. She’ll probably be in discomfort on the plane because of the soreness of the injection site, though.</p>
<p>D had all 3 shots at college. No problems or excessive pain, although she said some of her friends did complain about that. Our (hers & mine) gyn definitely recommended the shots.</p>
<p>D had all hers. Said they hurt like :eek:, but no problems after that.</p>
<p>Lafalum84 - I felt the same way as you did, so when both my best friend from HS (an OB/Gyn) and D’s pediatrician both recommended it, I had D get it. Like I said earlier, her only side effect was soreness in her arm at the sight of the injection (no bruising).</p>
<p>Her pediatrician also told me that in Europe, the vaccine is also given to boys because of the virus/genital warts, so I wouldn’t be surprised if the boys here start getting it as well.</p>
<p>I am a GYN. It is a personal choice for patient/parent. I had vaccine in my office within a week of launch. The first two receipients were my two teenage D’s. My office has administered over 2000 doses. We have had one patient on shot 3 get a small welt at the injection site. We have had a handful of anxious teens with tears and a little hyperventilation. We have not had a single “fainting” episoe or vasovagal attack, but we office every patient the opportunity to have it while lying down on an exam table. A few reports of a flue like symptoms from maybe 5 patients total. Many complain it hurts MORE than the average shot. The soreness does not last long.</p>
<p>Given the number of abnormal paps, HPV postive swabs, and given the shear number of culposcopies, biopsies, LEEP/cone procedures I have to do, if I can help to reduce the number of cervical cancer cases by 70% and treatment for genital warts by 90%, that is a huge number. And my practice is a small solo private practice in a relatively affluent county and not a clinic practice. </p>
<p>FYI there are clinical trials that include boys that have completed and others in progress. It appears that it will be offered to boys in the next few years. That way, there will be the opportunity for “herd immunity,” lessening the chance even further for those who choose not to be vaccinated. Like the meningococcal vaccine, as they are able to provide coverage for additional types, they can be added to the vaccine. If the can add 2 more high risk type, they can up the protection to close to 90%.</p>
<p>“Given the number of abnormal paps, HPV postive swabs, and given the shear number of culposcopies, biopsies, LEEP/cone procedures I have to do, if I can help to reduce the number of cervical cancer cases by 70% and treatment for genital warts by 90%, that is a huge number. And my practice is a small solo private practice in a relatively affluent county and not a clinic practice.”</p>
<p>I don’t see how this reduces the number of cervical cancer cases by 70%.</p>
<p>Social behavior is adaptive.</p>
<p>BCEagle,</p>
<p>This site might provide you with the information you need.</p>
<p>[Cervical</a> Cancer Vaccine: Information at gardasil.com](<a href=“http://www.gardasil.com/what-is-gardasil/cervical-cancer-vaccine/]Cervical”>http://www.gardasil.com/what-is-gardasil/cervical-cancer-vaccine/)</p>
<p>It’s the vaccine, not the procedures detailed by sunnyflorida, that reduces the number of cervical cancer and genital warts cases.</p>
<p>Gardasil reduces not only cervical cancer, but its precursor precancer (dysplasia, CIN, SIL etc). I am not going to get into a debate on Gardasil, to each his own. But current statistics show that 75-80% of women will have been exposed to the HPV virus by the age of 50. Not all exposure results in precancer or cancer. Most women (and men) will develop antiboidies and clear the virus before there is any change at the cellular/DNA level. But some patients never clear the virus. And of those, many will have the virus trigger a cascade the progresses from dysplasia/CIN/SIL to cancer if left untreated. Worse, many will have the virus lie dormant with NO SYMPTOMS. And years later will be diagnosed with a precancer or a cancer. </p>
<p>I would WELCOME any reduction in the number of abnormal paps that I see, and any reduction in the evaluation (culpo/bx) as well as treatment of precancers (LEEP/cone) as well as a reduction in actual cervical cancers.</p>
<p>Thank you sunnyflorida (and alwaysamom) for the sound backup.</p>
<p>“This site might provide you with the information you need.”</p>
<p>Yes, that’s the site that I went to to get the information that I posted here earlier. sunnyflorida isn’t commenting on the moral hazard issue. I guess a short term fix provides relief. Until it morphs.</p>
<p>^^^ “moral hazard issue”? Can you elaborate?</p>