Prediabetes in a fit person, what to do?

I think the A1C test is a better indicator of blood glucose status. It reflects the average blood sugar level over the previous few months. Someone mentioned that this is available as a home test too, which was news to me. However a glucose monitor will be helpful to track the effects of specific foods.

I went to Target today to get fresh test strips for a Target brand glucose monitor I bought a few years ago and they don’t carry them anymore now that CVS runs the pharmacy. I need to buy a new monitor now. Has anyone read the Consumer Reports comparison of monitors? I don’t have a subscription anymore. There’s huge price variations in monitors and test strips and I’m not sure if the more expensive kits are more accurate.

This is a report from an individual who tested 10 different glucose meters with their test strips that I think is pretty interesting. She concluded they were all pretty close in their results and correlated closely with A1C.

https://www.google.com/amp/onedrop.today/2016/05/31/bg-meter-accuracy-10-meters-put-to-the-test/amp/

By the way, recently when I talked about metabolic syndrome in another thread, I was accused of bringing up something that was basically irrelevant as it did not address the “normative” population. Metabolic syndrome is unfortunately becoming more and more prevalent in the US (see quote below), so many of us who struggle with our weight have to look for ways to counter this problem, and reducing carbohydrates to a very low level is one strategy that can work. I eat a lot more vegetables now than I did before I went low carb. When you eliminate refined carbohydrates and other starchy food items from your diet, your only option is to either grossly restrict calories or to substitute other food items for the carbs. Rather than adding gobs of fat or excessive protein to my diet, I eat a lot of leafy greens and other non starchy vegetables now (not to downplay the role of healthy amounts of dietary fat). My bloodwork and other health markers always improve when I eliminate refined carbohydrates (and bagels are usually high in refined carbs), whole grains, starchy vegetables, and artificial sweeteners from my diet.

I’m particularly susceptible to metabolic syndrome, so what it takes to get me healthy will be different from what another person will have to do. I get into trouble if I put on so much as 15 lbs. It’s frustrating.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/05/150519121529.htm

Those are some scary numbers.

The OP’s DH is also apparently susceptible to the effects of carbs, if his A1c is actually accurate. Since he is fit and not overweight, it might be necessary for him to have to really limit his carbohydrates. It sucks, but some of us just cannot process them like “normal” people can.

I think this statement is wrong. Though prediabetes is generally used to referred to patients who are prone to develop type 2 diabetes and may be able to reverse the trend through diet and behavior modification it is still possible to catch someone who will develop type 1 diabetes before they are full blown and making no insulin. It is a gradual process whereby the antibodies destroy the insulin producing cells of the pancreas and the blood sugar gradually rises as the pancreas can no longer produce enough insulin to control the blood sugar. Someone does not just go overnight from normal insulin production to making no insulin so it is certainly possible to catch someone in a phase where their HBA1c is gradually rising but they are not full blown type 1 diabetes.

I think this is what I have. In my case, blood sugar level and blood pressure go up and down together. I’d bet the same happens to the cholestrol level. I don’t monitor cholestrol levels on a daily basis as I do with BP and BS. All three showed up in my late 50s.

@HImom , interesting blog on the glucose monitors. Although the average variation between all the monitors was not high, the maximum variation was very high- something like 20 points between monitors. I think using the standard solution to check the accuracy is probably the best strategy, at least it will indicate if the particular set of test strips is reading high or low.

This is exactly my rationale for asking to have my husband tested for the antibodies now instead of waiting until he is technically diabetic. However I don’t know if the test is sensitive enough to detect the antibodies in someone who is pre-diabetic, and I don’t know when they would recommend to begin insulin treatment. It’s the sort of discussion I had hoped to have with his doctor. For now I’ve convinced him to do home testing of fasting glucose once a week. If the levels continue to rise I hope we can have a more productive appointment with his new doctor. If that fails it will be necessary to start the grievance process which should result in a consultation with an endocrinologist. Or we can just pay to see someone out of network for a second opinion. He thinks giving up his daily can of Coke has solved all of his problems, it’s going to take some convincing (and data) to make more significant changes.

@momsquad I sent you a PM

When do you get your A1C level checked? When your blood sugar starts creeping up? Because of some symptoms? I just looked back through MyChart (OK, EMR’s aren’t all bad) and that isn’t a test I’ve ever had.

Usually, fasting blood sugar is the more routine screening check, while HbA1c is done if there is anything unusual.

@MomofJandL , That’s a good question, I think it’s only routinely done if your fasting glucose is above normal but it is becoming more mainstream to test for pre-diabetes.

My annual physical included A1C for the first time this year. Not sure why as BG has always been under 100. Maybe age? From the same blood draw BG was 81 mg/dL, A1C was 5.4% which is an estimated mean BG of 108 mg/dL. That’s a big difference! Or is that because A1C is not a fasting measurement (even though I was fasting)?

I don’t think that’s necessarily true anymore, at least in my neck of the woods (LA). Most of the doctors around here include HbA1c in a routine blood panel. I’ve had several primary care Drs over the last five years due to insurance changes and each year during my physical, they have gone with HbA1c over fasting glucose - and my results are always normal, never unusual. Same with H. Seems to be the norm around here.

Also, I have noticed the Drs are moving away from the fasting blood lipid panel to the non-fasting panel. This is a welcome change in my book. My current physician now considers fasting old school except in some special cases.

https://www.statnews.com/2016/04/29/fasting-cholesterol-testing/

Re: #70

HbA1c measures hemoglobin with glucose attached to it. The amount of such glycated hemoglobin is associated with the average blood glucose level over a few months, based on the lifetime of red blood cells. So the average blood glucose level that is implied by HbA1c includes the higher levels in daily fluctuations (e.g. after eating carbohydrate containing foods) as well as the levels after overnight fasts.

OP, you’re getting somewhat conflicting diet advice on this thread. As others have said, it’s best to get professional guidance on that question—and keep in mind that everyone’s different, so what works Aunt Jane (or some semi-anonymous poster on CC) won’t necessarily work for your husband. But as someone who has lived with diabetes in the family for a long time, I’ll add my two cents. First, as others have noted, type 2 diabetes is caused by insulin resistance, which causes the body not to process blood glucose properly. Body fat can cause or contribute to insulin resistance, but it’s not the only cause. In fact, unexplained weight loss is often a symptom of the onset of type 2 diabetes because insulin resistance prevents the body’s cells from getting sufficient glucose, so they begin to
metabolize body fat and muscle in an attempt to compensate. So I’m not surprised that your husband lost weight before being diagnosed as pre-diabetic.

I don’t think anyone’s completely figured out how to beat insulin resistance—if they had, we wouldn’t have so many type 2 diabetics. In pre-diabetics who are overweight or obese, the usual advice is to lose weight, as this may help reduce insulin resistance, but in a person who is already slender and physically active, it’s more challenging. You probably don’t want to dramatically reduce caloric intake. So then it’s a question of where the calories are coming from.

You can limit or prevent glucose spikes by reducing total carb intake, changing the composition of carbs you’re taking in, and eating balanced meals at regular intervals while avoiding snacks. Foods with a high glycemic index that can cause glucose to spike are those containing sugars and simple starches, e.g., soda, fruit juice, white potatoes, white pasta, baked goods, and any processed foods containing white flour and/or high-fructose corn syrup. Whole grain bread and pasta have a lower glycemic index—they contain dietary fiber, which is good in its own right, and it takes the body longer to break down the complex carbs in whole grains, so you’re less likely to get a high glucose spike, but they’re still carbs, so avoid eating too much. Most diabetes experts recommend that you eat whole fruits, with the caveat that you eat them in moderation, and choose wisely—apples and pears will give you a lower glycemic load than grapes, raisins, or dates… I’d also resist the temptation to offset the calories lost from reduced carbohydrate intake by increasing calories from fat. A number of studies have found that dietary fat can heighten insulin resistance, quite independently from body fat. That’s why many type 2 diabetics tend to have trouble with Chinese food—it’s not the carbs but the oils used in cooking that heighten short-term insulin resistance and may lead to a glucose spike The American Diabetes Association recommends that you limit both fat and carbs (especially but not only high-glycemic carbs) by increasing consumption of vegetables, especially leafy green vegetables. Their “plate method” recommends that you make vegetables half of each meal, leaving one quarter for carbs and one quarter for low-fat proteins. An exception: some studies have found that the oils in fish can actually reduce insulin resistance.

Keep in mind, though, that essentially all you’re doing here is preventing glucose spikes. Whether that reverses the underlying insulin resistance is less certain, but it could help prevent a mild case of insulin resistance from blossoming into full-blown type 2 diabetes, And finally, if it does develop into type 2 diabetes, it’s not the end of the world. Many type 2 diabetics lead long, active, and relatively healthy lives by managing their diabetes through diet, exercise, and medication. You don’t want to go there if you can avoid it, but if it happens it can be managed.

@bclintonk

" …resist the temptation to offset the calories lost from reduced carbohydrate intake by increasing calories from fat."

Aren’t nuts, like walnuts & almonds, which are fatty, okay?

@bclintonk interesting. I always thought the Chinese food problem was the rice, not the fat.

Restaurant/processed Chinese food often has sugar in the sauces and marinades.

Another one surprised at the mention of Chinese food and fat. I always thought it was sugar. Many ethnic food contains large amount of sugar althought they don’t taste sweet, indian, thai, mexican, korean as well as chinese. I can’t eat them anymore.

Just make sure to read up about MODY if there is any chance of a misdiagnosis. I think mody (types) is the type1 1/2 sometimes brought up. AFAIK these add up to maybe 5% of adult type diabetics but can also be misdiagnosed as type 1. The test would be a genetic type and there are at least 5 or more subtypes of varying pathology. The least pathological variant though, is much less onerous than real type 2. Skinny and active and not old/otherwise predisposed should be reason enough to double check. We haven’t met a ped or primary doc in the US who knew of it, period, however there is at least one big hospital (UC) running a study.

A lot of (Chinese and other ethnic cuisine) restaurant food is made with rather excessive amounts of fat (and/or sugar and/or salt). That may not be all that great for someone trying to control calorie intake. Perhaps this is just personal preference, but food that is swimming in oil also does not taste that good.