Preliminary 2013 admissions data

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@Alexandre

And why are you willing to accept the Medical school reputational ratings, but not Law school reputational ratings. It certainly looks like you are cherry picking. According to LAw schools PA, Judges and Lawyers and Big Law, Michigan Law’s reputation is tied in fourth place with Chicago and Columbia. That is why the WSJ actually included Michigan Law among the five programs in its survey back in 2003. If you are so willing to accept medical school reputational ratings, you have to accept Law school reputational ratings. Just because you do not agree with the majority of leading legal scholars does not make it so. Your irrational hatred for Michigan always seems to get the best of you.

I’m more willing to consider Medical school reputational rankings since I’ve never seen a study conducted that compares residency and subsequent hiring outcomes from different medical school like those that exist in mass for law schools.</p>

<p>Law school is a professional program so it makes sense for us to consider hiring statistics most stronly. These usually correspond with Peer Assessment anyway despite a few underperformers like Georgetown and Michigan.</p>

<p>The nation’s leading scholars have different priorities than law school students-these established individuals don’t need to worry about getting hired in a JD-preferred job like law school students do.</p>

<p>In terms of actual law firm and clerkship placement, Michigan’s peers are Duke, Berkeley, UVA, and Cornell-not Columbia or Chicago. Almost any study not based on opinion confirms this.</p>

<p>[Faculty</a> Quality Based on Membership in the American Academy of Arts and Sciences, 2012](<a href=“http://www.leiterrankings.com/new/2012_AAAS.shtml]Faculty”>Faculty Quality Based on Membership in the American Academy of Arts and Sciences, 2012)
[TOP</a> 70 LAW FACULTIES IN SCHOLARLY IMPACT, 2007-2011](<a href=“http://www.leiterrankings.com/new/2012_scholarlyimpact.shtml]TOP”>TOP 70 LAW FACULTIES IN SCHOLARLY IMPACT, 2007-2011)
[Brian</a> Leiter Law School Faculty Moves, 1995-2004](<a href=“http://www.leiterrankings.com/students/2010_top40lawschools.shtml]Brian”>Brian Leiter Law School Faculty Moves, 1995-2004)</p>

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@Alexandre

Absolutely. But you are assuming that all law students have a similar ambition. They do not. Clearly, a smaller percentage of Michigan and Yale law school students wish to pursue careers in Big Law. Yale law graduates famously pursue clerkmanships while Michigan has a large percentage seeking positions in academe and in private practices in Michigan. What you need to look at is their reputation among Big Law firms (Yale #1 and Michigan #4) and the placement rates of graduates from those law schools schools actually seeking positions in Big Law firms.

Any data to back this up? Yale is the best law school in the world so its graduates often pursue Supreme Court clerkships after school before they work in a big law firm. I don’t see why Michigan Law grads would be all that different from Duke and Berkeley Law grads in terms of their career aspirations.</p>

<p>[Brian</a> Leiter Law School Faculty Moves, 1995-2004](<a href=“http://leiterrankings.com/new/2011_LawTeachers.shtml]Brian”>Brian Leiter Law School Faculty Moves, 1995-2004)</p>

<p>Michigan Law does very well indeed at placing its graduates in academia but not really any better than say UVA, Duke, Berkeley, etc.</p>

<p>Here’s proof from University of Chicago Law Professor Brian Leiter that Michigan’s legal reputation has eroded from its grandiose heights of the past and how NYU has surpassed it.:</p>

<p>1.U.S. News does not provide evaluators with any information about the schools to be evaluated: evaluators receive a list of about 180 school names, and that’s all. This survey provided evaluators with current faculty rosters for all the schools being evaluated. As evaluators completed the evaluation, they did so with the faculty roster right in front of them. This might explain why schools like NYU and Michigan essentially trade places in the 2003-04 EQR survey as compared to U.S. News: NYU has strengthened its faculty significantly over the last decade, while Michigan’s overall faculty strength (while still quite considerable) has eroded from its previous lofty heights. But because for many decades Michigan was one of the top five law schools, while NYU was not, evaluators presented only with school names rank Michigan more highly than NYU; evaluators presented with current faculty lists reverse that evaluation.</p>