Presidential Race

<p>I do know that he was found in contempt, not because of sexual harassment, but because he had an affair and lied about it. </p>

<p>So you have no problem for a court to ask YOU if you had an affair? I have never had an affair, and I’m not OK with that question. </p>

<p>By the way, it is against the law to have an affair in Michigan. Should we start going after people? And a lot of people will lie. Should we start going after them for perjury? There are a lot of criminals running around in Michigan. Let’s get them.</p>

<p>dstark, if you want to restrict the lines of questioning that a woman has in making a sexual harassment charge, I suggest you take that up with the judicial system and NOW. As it was, a judge ruled that that question was admissible in her court for the case that was before her. Given that that was the judge’s decision, Clinton had a legal obligation to answer it truthfully. He did not do so. </p>

<p>What amazes me about this whole exchange is the apparent lack of information about this case upon which you are forming your views - starting from the perspective that it was the “government” asking this question - did you believe that it was Ken Lay who was the first to ask Clinton about Lewinski? I guess the Clinton spin machine and the media obfuscation of the issue really did work.</p>

<p>Such small potatoes when compared with the serial desertion of sick wives, and the defrauding of taxpayers in the use of government property and security for sexual trysts so extreme that a judge had to bar him from having his own children visit.</p>

<p>Doesn’t matter though: Bill the mass child killer isn’t running for Prez.</p>

<p>Mini, I’m patiently waiting to read about the 500,000 kids (now under 5 years old) that were killed because of the bombing of the wastewater treatment plants.</p>

<p>I view the court system as part of the government. My mistake.</p>

<p>I have posted links and interviews on more than six separate occasions, and I think if you are really interested, you can do your own homework. You can start with Madeleine Albright and then work your way through Denis Halliday. And then you can contact the American Friends Service Committee, and they’ll send you pics of the dead and dying children, and pics of the wastewater treatment plants. </p>

<p>And then, if you are really interested, you can go out of your way to talk to a few Iraqis. Doesn’t matter if they currently support U.S. policy or not.</p>

<p>“dstark, if you want to restrict the lines of questioning that a woman has in making a sexual harassment charge, I suggest you take that up with the judicial system and NOW. As it was, a judge ruled that that question was admissible in her court for the case that was before her. Given that that was the judge’s decision, Clinton had a legal obligation to answer it truthfully. He did not do so.”</p>

<p>You’re right. We agree. He did not answer the question truthfully. </p>

<p>Big ******* deal.</p>

<p>“Doesn’t matter though: Bill the mass child killer isn’t running for Prez.”</p>

<p>True, that, Mini. But his wife is and Monica is the reason why.</p>

<p>Mini, I read about Albright. That’s one reason I believe it didn’t happen.</p>

<p>I read about the bombing.</p>

<p>I have never read anything about the 500,000 kids dying in Iraq because of the bombing.</p>

<p>So give a couple of links and I will see if I was wrong.
I already admitted I was wrong 4 times on this thread. :)</p>

<p>“Big ******* deal.”</p>

<p>very, very, very big deal. Huge, in fact.</p>

<p>Why did the topic change from the lack of alternative energy to Iraq’s WMDs? Because they are both issues that didn’t interest the American people very much in 1999. You suggested that alternative energy isn’t a governmental focus because the people don’t care about it at present.</p>

<p>Iraq’s WMD’s are a good example of a danger (albeit a fictional one) that just wasn’t on anyone’s radar screen until the president brought it to our attention. The lack of alternative energy sources is a serious danger that currently isn’t a focus for American people. That’s not a reason for the president to ignore it – it’s a reason for the president to help America see how important it is, just as he did with WMD’s.</p>

<p>Zoosermom, ready to go into Michigan and 25 other states and get those adulterers and future perjurers?</p>

<p>It’s going to take a lot of cameras. :)</p>

<p>dstark, as you’ve been told repeatedly, the issue isn’t sex, it’s denying the due process of law to an American citizen. Get it now? Of course you do. Just don’t want to go for five on admitting you were wrong.</p>

<p>“I have never read anything about the 500,000 kids dying in Iraq because of the bombing.”</p>

<p>The kid weren’t bombed (nor the 500,000 other folks who died). The wastewater treatment plants were (and electrical generation plants). They came down with dysentery, and a host of other diseases. The hospitals were without clean water and electricity, the sanctions specifically prohibited the shipment of simple antibiotics. The little kids died at the rate of roughly 7,000 a month, give or take. (The older ones at about the same rate, but we never count them.) I spent a good part of the 1990s raising funds to repair the water treatment plants. </p>

<p>The outrage at genocide from the Europeans was so great that the U.S. was forced to institute (through the U.N.) the oil for food program. Halliday resigned, citing specific Geneva Conventions on genocide,</p>

<p>Now Clinton knew very much what he was doing. He could have bombed the palaces, or the military installations (as he did in the Christmas bombings of 1998). He could have gone after Saddam Hussein. But by killing children, so many children, he could weaken the country for an entire generation. There isn’t a family in Iraq today outside of Kurdistan (who lost children to the Rumsfeld handshake) which didn’t lose a child in their immediate or extended family or among their friends (a movie is now being made). </p>

<p>“We think it was worth it,” she said.</p>

<p>“But his wife is and Monica is the reason why.”</p>

<p>The reason why what? Pardon my French, but imagine you are from Mars and looking down at the past 15 years of U.S. history. Can’t you see how ridiculous this sounds? You’ve got one Prez that coordinates a successful policy aimed at the murder of children; you’ve got the next who lies, cheats, and deceives, invades a sovereign nation under false pretenses, creates 1.5 million refugees whom he refuses to help, spends over a trillion dollars and then complains there isn’t enough money to fix a failing health care system, all the while plumping up billions of dollars in corporate profits? What universe do you live in?</p>

<p>So you are saying that Paula Jones didn’t get due process because Clinton lied about having an affair with Monica Lewinsky?</p>

<p>“What universe do you live in?”
One that doesn’t take at face value every allegation made against the United States and at the same time dismisses every rebuttal offered from the US as “lies”. But, if you want to continue living in your universe where that is the case, then enjoy it.</p>

<p>Mini, when were the wastewater treatment sites bombed?</p>

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FF, mini just needs to move to Canada – I really think he’d be much happier there.</p>

<p>“I view the court system as part of the government. My mistake.”</p>

<p>Clearly your mistake because you left out the plaintiff.</p>

<p>“The reason why what? Pardon my French, but imagine you are from Mars and looking down at the past 15 years of U.S. history. Can’t you see how ridiculous this sounds?”</p>

<p>The reason why Hillary is a senator from New YOrk and likely the next president of the United States. No reference to either the Bush or Clinton administrations, there, so I think you misunderstood what I meant.</p>