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<p>It depends on what the OP means by prestigious. Rutgers, Penn State, and University of Maryland College Park are all highly respected state flagships that would generally be considered prestigious. </p>
<p>Btw, I don’t buy anyone trying to rank within HYPMS. They’re just too similar in quality.</p>
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I would guarantee you that there is no difference in attending Brown, Duke, Columbia or Berkeley or Michigan and Virginia. I would guarantee you that after HYPSM, the top 30 schools or so have very little to separate from each other. And, so I would guarantee you that your claims are baseless, senseless, and therefore, bogus.</p>
<p>Arguing Stanford vs Yale prestige is rather silly. </p>
<p>^And I don’t agree. I would argue that Brown, Duke, and Columbia are significantly better for undergrad than Berkeley, Michigan, and Virginia. Starting with size and money. The first three, if used correctly, will provide a better undergrad education. They are also more prestigious, since the op seems to care about that.</p>
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<p>And your claims are? Don’t make me laugh, old man.</p>
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Both of those schools have a strong core requirement. Certainly put some highly selective schools on your list, but I’ll warn you that schools like Princeton reject thousands of valedictorians every year. Seems like students who like the schools you mentioned also apply to Northwestern, NYU, Boston U, Tufts, WashU, Harvard, Georgetown, and Brown. Also consider Swarthmore. If you are female, consider Barnard.</p>
<p>If you’re into Columbia and the University of Chicago, you might like Princeton, Harvard, and Yale (in that order). It’s where the REAL intellectuals are ;). They are modest and not self-consciously intellectual.</p>
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<p>How the heck are YOU able to Guarantee this!? Who are you!? I guess then I can say I CAN Guarantee that there is no difference after Harvard and the next 50 schools…Or HYP and the next 40…</p>
<p>What’s your point!? Again, the OP is talking PRESTIGE here, folks. You are proving your own ignorance if you think that ANY SCHOOL is as prestigious as Harvard. Give it a rest, please, as I am tired of having this discussion.</p>
<p>Oh look, people arguing insignificant “statistics” again… Joy…
Anyway, here we go:
As to the reputation of Stanford vs. HYP… Whether or not “people” know of a school internationally does not determine it’s prestige. Just it’s name. Those people are familiar with top schools (e.g. HR people in major corporations who regularly hire only those people from top school) will be familiar with HYPSM. There is not a measurable statistically significant difference between the four. Don’t get carried away in arguing over which of the 4 best school is THE best. Some people will say Stanford, other Harvard, etc. Unless there is quantifiable mathematically significant, unbiased data to prove Stanford is better, then de facto, it’s not. </p>
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I believe RML meant that the 30 or schools below HYPSM are viewed relatively equally among the elite schools (Basically any of the USN school ranked as “most selective”). Employers will look at them relatively equally. (Note my use of the word relatively; there will be some biased opinions in certain places and favorability upon certain schools.)</p>
<p>^^ according to you, an employer would look at Wake Forest (Ranked 25) or UNC (Ranked 30) equally to Duke!? While these schools are all good ones, you would be hard pressed to find someone who would say that WF or UNC is more prestigious than Duke. Also, look at this thread
where HYP and not MIT/Stanford were the most recruited places. <a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/1069688-if-you-want-top-job-go-hyps-wharton-not-mit-lower-ivy.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/1069688-if-you-want-top-job-go-hyps-wharton-not-mit-lower-ivy.html</a></p>
<p>Assuming you are at NYU, I can see why you would want to make it seem like the next 30 schools down the list are all the same and interchangeable since this is in your best interest. Why not just say the top 50 schools, then? Get my point? </p>
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<p>The same could say for most of the elite schools as there isn’t a measurable difference in the quality of students of the top 10 schools…Again, no one is saying which school is best…</p>
<p>Honestly people who say the next 30 universities after HYPSM make me laugh…it’s usually those people who haven’t been accepted to any of the Ivy League or its equivalents.
It’s usually those people who went to UMichigan or NYU or Emory who believe they’re equal to Columbia, UPenn, and Duke.</p>
<p>I chose NYU over Cornell and Duke, so don’t think I’m trying to up NYU’s reputation, thank you. And you’re twisting my argument. You’re saying I’m trying to find someone to say UNC or WF is as prestigious as Duke. I never said that. I said viewed by employers, those schools under HYPSM in the “elite” category are viewed relatively equally by employers - in the way that they all have that “wow” factor most people affiliate with such schools. E.g. a candidate from UNC and a candidate from Duke who are similar in almost all aspects will be viewed quite equally.</p>
<p>As for including the top 50 schools, we know why that wouldn’t stand true. As do you. But, if you really insist on being told exactly why, those schools that are considered “most selective” e.g. only accepting what is categorized as “the best students” is what includes them in this category, rather than all of the 50 schools below HYPSM. If we were to include schools below 30, we would get U Florida representing the bottom school. And it’s common knowledge that it is not an “elite” school. So don’t try to make counterpoints that are purely illogical. </p>
<p>As for your last point, well people here are trying to purport Stanford to be better than HYPM. Which, there is no data for. It’s all preference at that point. Arguing among most top schools is purely preference. The data typically supports only small, if at all, statistically significant data. Point being, arguing among which top schools are better is relatively pointless, since there is no absolute correct answer. It’s all preference.</p>
<p>“chicago is better than brown and cornell.”</p>
<p>Brown is better than UChicago, which is on par with Cornell.</p>
<p>To me the tiers of prestige among the first 15 or so elite schools are as follows:</p>
<p>Harvard
Yale, Princeton, Standford, MIT, Caltech
Columbia, UPenn, Duke, UChicago, Dartmouth
Brown, Cornell, WUSTL, Northwestern</p>