<p>Yeah, I didnt count schools like Liberty. There really isnt a school in the top 100 that doesnt have a lot of drinking going on. Even schools like Baylor that you might not suspect are filled with alcohol.</p>
<p>^^ Baylor is definitely right up there on the drinking scale.</p>
<p>St. Olaf is a top-50 USnews LAC that does not have a lot of drinking going on. Although drinking does occur, drinking does not dominate the weekend culture.</p>
<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/saint-olaf-college/623342-how-dry-campus.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/saint-olaf-college/623342-how-dry-campus.html</a></p>
<p>Most women’s colleges, including the ones that are more than halfway decent, don’t have drinking problems. There is occasional overindulgence, but it is not accepted in the culture. There are a handful of non-religious coed schools that approach that level.</p>
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<p>And this is the important fact, in my book. Obviously, haze drinking during initiations is part of the culture of these eating clubs. The culture during initiations has to change.</p>
<p>Kids are hospitalized even when they are not in actual medical danger at this point. I promise you that the alcohol usage management process at Princeton these days is on high alert. I agree it would be great if the large of alcohol amount consumed by some kids at eating club signins was reduced.</p>
<p>Here is my guess about intense drinking at all Ivies from most prevalent to least.</p>
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<li>Dartmouth (rural, small, frats)</li>
<li>Cornell (amongst undergrads, semi-rural, frats)</li>
<li>Princeton (suburban, clubs)</li>
<li>Penn (frats, city)</li>
<li>Yale (not remote but not a great city for parties, frats and clubs are small)</li>
<li>Brown (OK city, don’t know about frats)</li>
<li>Harvard (city, no frats, finals clubs are small)</li>
<li>Columbia (city)</li>
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<p>What do you all who may know facts have to say?</p>
<p>I just wanted to say that my child is member of a sign in club and I don’t think any hazing was done as part of the initiations. Alcohol was freely available at the initiations. New members were not forced or coerced to drink it. There were many who did. There were also many who did not. My child is not a teetotaler… they prefer a drink with dinner or cocktail with friends, not binge drinking. They didn’t imbibe at initiations and still had a blast.</p>
<p>Well, according to a few on this board, some schools have more of a “drinking problem” than others so it’s not right to lump them all together.
Yes, drinking stats are published by some schools, and there are clearly factors that correlate with abuse of alcohol including rural locations and big FB programs.
But I think these measures are a bit simplistic. I know an EMT at GW - a large urban school with little emphasis on FB or BB. Lots of ER admissions for alcohol abuse. LOTS of drinking.<br>
Other schools hide their drinking numbers.
So, I agree that it is hard to steer kids away from “drinking” schools. I guess I never though of Princeton as a drinking school so I’m learning as we go here.</p>
<p>Our HS used to send a lot of athletes (mostly lacrosse players) to Princeton (late 70’s early 80’s), and back then I had the impression there was a somewhat heavy drinking culture. I’d imagine things have changed a lot since then, though.
Am still unclear as to whether the kids who ended up in the hospital were told to drink as part of an initiation process, if they were attendees at parties, or what.</p>
<p>Just to balance the thread, it’s important to remember that Princeton, due to its strengths in physics, math, and engineering, has a very strong culture that has nothing to do with drinking. AKA the other side of paradise:). The team in the link below lost to MIT, but just barely…</p>
<p>[Starcraft</a> Match vs. MIT - The Daily Princetonian](<a href=“http://www.dailyprincetonian.com/slideshows/172/expand/]Starcraft”>http://www.dailyprincetonian.com/slideshows/172/expand/)</p>
<p>“Kids are hospitalized even when they are not in actual medical danger at this point.”</p>
<p>Emergency rooms do not admit individuals without cause - anywhere! (When they do so, they often get caught with the bill.) It would be no different in the town of Princeton than anywhere else.</p>
<p>I can assure you that this is true. Not without cause at all. But certainly when there is no immediate medical danger.</p>
<p>I agree with earlier poster that Haze drinking and any Haze activities must stop. My suggestion would be for the dean’s staff to communicate with the head of any frat/sorority/eating club etc, the pledge master, etc AND THEIR PARENTS at the beginning of the year and make it clear hazing is against school policy and in most places, state law, and the people in charge can and will be held accountable – that students may be subject to civil and criminal penalties.</p>
<p>It is hard to imagine that there is any college without some drinking problems. As a parent of a Princeton junior and a Yale freshman, I much prefer Princeton’s eating club and “street” atmosphere where most of the drinking is centralized and therefore a bit more monitored. This allows kids like S1 who drinks a little, but drinks responsibly (a glass of wine with a nice dinner, a beer at a street party) and is now 21, to live in dorms that don’t have alot of partying and their related disturbances going on and to feel “normal” when on most of the campus on a weekend night doing other things like movies, theatre, etc. S2, otoh, has kids constantly stumbling into his first floor suite in the middle of the night, retching on their floor, using their bathroom with obvious blurred eyesight, dealing with shouting and partying all across the courtyard at all hours. Much more disturbing to him. Much more spread out and therefore much tougher to monitor.</p>
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<p>Maybe so, but some come pretty close:</p>
<p>Princeton Review’s 2008 Top “Stone-Cold Sober” Schools”
- Brigham Young University
- Wheaton College (IL)
- Thomas Aquinas College
- College of the Ozarks
- Grove City College
- United States Coast Guard Academy
- United States Air Force Academy
- United States Naval Academy
- City University of New York—Queens College
- Webb Institute</p>
<p>Alumother,</p>
<p>Where do Duke, MIT, and Stanford fit on your list?
I would imagine, based on location, Duke is at the top, Stanford is somewhere in the middle and MIT is towards the bottom around Harvard…</p>
<p>174I - yes, I would say your assessment matches mine. Except that Stanford might be on the high side of the middle, given the fraternities and the fact that Palo Alto is not really a college town in terms of good places to hang out that are affordable to undergrads.</p>
<p>Can I just say that sewbusy’s post really made my day:). For some unknown reason Princeton is frequently in the critical spotlight on cc, Yale for whatever reason is held up more as a hallowed hall of academe. So while I have nothing against Yale, needless to say, I’m just glad to see someone with an experience of both places bring a balanced viewpoint to the discussion. Thanks!</p>
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<p>Princeton is second only to Harvard as the most frequently and gleefully bashed school on CC. Ironically, one the reasons Harvard is frequently unfavorably compared to Yale is that Harvard students don’t party (i.e drink) enough and Harvard’s alcohol rules are too strict.</p>
<p>anyone really believe with the idea that making it 18 again will in anyway undo the binge mentality? I don’t think so. That mentality is prevalent and being 18 does not bring them into a club/bar to pay $4.00+ a drink. They will binge before they get there. </p>
<p>MyD1 asked me would it be ok for her friends to drink in my home during her graduation party last summer. I asked what kind of drink and where would this occur? We were having family and friends over. She replied, “Oh down in the family room to play drinking games”, I laughed. Oh no, I don’t think so. That is drinking to get plastered, not in my home you wont. That is the mentality of 18/19 year olds. It is not social drinking it is drinking to get as drunk as fast as you can.</p>