<p>Perhaps there is self-segregation (when people choose to be segregated) or segregation by income. I am also aware that some schools, particularly those with inadequate resources, are essentially segregated by race. However, I was under the impression that as transfer students, we belong to well-funded schools that can potentially offer a good education if we wish to attain it.</p>
<p>As for the book you referenced, it seems that the person feels uncomfortable because she isn’t being allowed to express her identity. But to what extent is individual achievement tied to racial identity? Some people might look down upon you because of race or identity, but should that keep you from trying to maximize your potential? What it means is that you have to work harder to overcome these problems.</p>
<p>I didn’t look at all the cases on the link you gave, but from what I’ve read so far, the self-fulfilling prophecy seems to be at play. Perhaps there are also a few cases of institutional racism. But should you allow these factors to discourage you from wanting to succeed academically?</p>
<p>Of course not, but I think its a fairly evident case of race hindering ones achievement in academics. She’s basically told that she’ll be admitted on the condition that she not engage in “Chicana behavior”. </p>
<p>Still, I applaud you for even taking the time to read through some of the stuff I linked to. I’m impressed.</p>
<p>we live in a patriarchal society where white men still hold the most powerful economic, political, and cultural positions. where rapid industrialization of an entire nation can be accredited to unwaged slave labor and the genocide of peaceful indigenous people. academic institutions such as UC’s should make the effort to reverse the inequalities and oppression of past generations by acknowledging subordinate minority groups’ disadvantages of race and circumstance. </p>
<p>i aint about to give you the stats on how *<strong><em>ed up *</em></strong> really is in this world (iraq, palestine, AIDS, drugs, colombia, US IMPERIALISM, corporate hegemony, etc…) but we do understand that to get back on a level playing field, those whose grandmothers and grandfathers faced firehouses, bullets, burning crosses and nooses must be acknowledged for their struggles regarding their race, gender, class, income, and family history. </p>
<p>i know that we all idealized the colorblind way of looking at things but that is not so when you look at who is oppressed, who has the privilege, and who has the unearned advantage.</p>
<p>I think most AA opponents( as evinced by this thread anyways ) aren’t addressing the main concern on the other side. That is AA advocates believe its imperative to dissolve racial stratification along social-economic lines. And this is mostly true. By utilizing AA, colleges become more racially diverse leading to less overall stratification. That being said, I still believe that its a wrong means to an end. It is not fair. Some one even made a note of the exceptions(e.g rich minorities).Additionally, by admitting students that are less qualified, the overall efficiency of education decreases. Either the minority can’t keep up, hence requiring grade inflation to pass them( if professors are generous enough to pass a minority that would be otherwise failing, he would be viewed as being unfair and is forced to do the same for the rest of the students, minority or not) , or that they do poorly and even in some cases fail out.[Mismatching</a> - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](<a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mismatching]Mismatching”>Affirmative action - Wikipedia) . </p>
<p>So the job of the government is to implement racial egalitarianism through other means. One way is that they can pour more money into K-12 eduction to equilize access to educational opportunities among all ethnicities. Thus, we bring minorities up to meet college standards not the other way around.</p>
<p>They will never pour money into K-12 education. Besides that’s only part of the problem. </p>
<p>Among the Latino community, it is a common practice to pull kids from school in order to have them work full time and support the family. How are they supposed to compete with the vast majority kids who get everything handed to them on a silver platter? Their fathers golf at pebble beach, ours work themselves into a premature grave…</p>
<p>Hell, the vast majority of us are only now getting into a position of financial security where we can actually afford to go back to school.</p>
<p>your theory of funding k-12 edu to level out social stratification has been debunked because it is extremely difficult to apportion funds to public schools when different neighborhoods have different tax bases, affecting how much of my money goes to the school next to my house, or school on the other side of town in the hood.</p>
<p>your argument is extremely fallacious and the wikipedia citation is less than convincing, should’ve listening to your eng teacher for that tip.</p>
<p>what people aren’t understanding is how much harder it is for some people from disadvantaged backgrounds to support themselves to succeed in college. of course their merit will be far-less valued than x-student w/ the high gpa and student senate spot when they do not take into account that person’s racial and socio economical status. </p>
<p>oh and the whole, under qualified minorities statement is proof of the misconception we have on this issue. they are not under qualified! they are not accepted just because of their race! they are accepted because that student deserves that spot just as much as you or me. that person was disadvantaged from the start and had less opportunity.</p>
<p>Its better than the alternative, i.e having to play catch up in college, danger of failing out, grade inflation, social stigma etc. My argument is that they should. You say they never will, and that is a result of political status quo. If we can change it,( by whatever means, pulling out of Iraq, reducing the military etc, it doesn’t matter), then its entirely possible to have enough money redirected to minorities to make a difference. </p>
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<p>They can provided monetary assistance such that that doesn’t have to be the case. As I’ve said before, they can pour money into programs to equalize educational opportunities.</p>
<p>Since prop 209, minority graduation rates have increased (pretty dramatically for african americans at ucsd). That just reeks to me of people getting in before that were not academically qualified. I don’t think race should be a factor at all in admissions</p>
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<p>Why? I assume you’re talking about asians at uci, but why is that an issue? Who cares what the race profile ends up being? I think that asians are, without a doubt, the most successful minority group, but why?</p>
<p>I dislike affirmative action because it puts me at a disadvantage. But if you really think about it, affirmative action is needed to level the playing field. </p>
<p>African Americans for example are still living the legacy of slavery. They may not be slaves physically but they still carry the slave mentality. For generations as slaves they were taught not to work hard, play dumb, pretty much try and be as lazy as they could possibly be. They had no motivation to try to work hard because there were no benefits in it for them. At the end of the day, they were still slaves. This mentality has been passed down for generations and is still being passed down today. For those few that are trying to break out of this slave mentality, the cards are stacked against them. They probably come from poor public schools were they did not receive the same caliber education as your average middle class white or Asian student. They need something to level the playing field. </p>
<p>That being said, i’m glad they’re not taking my spot at UCLA or Cal.</p>
<p>True, they could do all these things… but will they? Affirmative Action was one of the few avenues a majority of minority students had to give themselves a “leg up” when it came time for college admissions, and now it’s gone. Yet the stigma of undeserving or unqualified remains. Like I said, thanks a lot ass.holes.</p>
<p>You know what though, when my family came to this country we didn’t know a word of english. We lived in my uncles basement until my parents saved up enough money by working 2 or 3 jobs to move out of there. As foreigners to this country we had it very rough, but by working hard we manged to improve our lives. My parents made sure we studied and did well in school. Are you telling me these underrepresented minorities can’t work hard to improve their situations? Screw my previous post and the slave mentality. America may not be everything for everyone but it is the land of opportunity. If you want it bad enough, if you’re hungry enough, you can achieve success in America. If you’re too lazy to try, then too bad for you.</p>
<p>Exactly. My mom was an immigrant and she works her ass off so that my sister and I can get educated. This is the land of social mobility, not handing people opportunities for nothing</p>
<p>But thats the problem. They have to work that much harder to emulate success enjoyed typically enjoyed by white upper -mid class families. Sometimes its just too much to handle. Not everyone can prep for SATs, do a million ECs, get strait A’s in addition to working 40 hours a week to support their family. Its better to just give them money to “even the playing field”.</p>
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