<p>By the way, they “data” you post in your oft referenced (by you) post #16 is also fringey biased stuff. Some herbal group from New Zealand?? Really now…</p>
<p>Yes, fraud is fraud. I was only speculating about the complaints. I have no idea what they were about. My point was that it’s not necessarily representative of the value of chiropractic.</p>
<p>The herbal group just posted it on their website. Read the article. They list the following references:</p>
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<p>Are these legitimate medical journals? I’m not a medical practitioner, so I wouldn’t know. Are you familiar with these?</p>
<p>do tell, mkm-- what were the details of the chiropractic component, and what were people’s opinions?</p>
<p>Sometimes PT and massage did not help. I’ve done both. I’ve always like a good massage, who doesn’t. I would prefer to see the massage person than the chiropractor. But sometimes there is a structure problem that needs to be straightened out by a chiropractor. Maybe I found a good one, this chiropractor fixed the arm of the person that gives me massage. She was involved in an accident and could not move her hand to the point where she can now work as a massage therapist. The key thing is to find a good chiropractor.</p>
<p>Say whaaat, leal? The “article” pulls some references from published journals, but it, itself is “published” in this New Zealand herbal site. You think this is different from quackwatch???</p>
<p>Let me clarify, leal. Just because a person cites legitimate references from peer-reviewed, credible journals doesn’t mean the dribble they write using these references is legitimate. If someone ueses references from credible journals on death rates in the world to support their theory that the world is going to come to an end next Tuesday, does that mean their article is credible?</p>
<p>The herbal one was only one of several that I posted. It’s a book, actually; what was posted on the site was an article about the BOOK.</p>
<p>This book?? <a href=“http://www.herbdatanz.com/index.htm[/url]”>http://www.herbdatanz.com/index.htm</a> I am so disappointed that it is “currently unavailable”</p>
<p>So, as a medical practitioner, what would say are more accurate numbers? Have you read Death by Medicine? Are you able to say that it’s not accurate? How inaccurate is it? Are the numbers way off or just a bit off?</p>
<p>I mean this in sincerity: I am not a medical practitioner and I have not read the book, so I am curious as to your opinion. But to write it off as invalid just because someone reviewed it on an alternative site is not a legitimate reason to discredit it, imo. The only way to know for sure is to read it and cross-reference it. I have not done that, but was posting it fyi. Maybe it’s accurate, maybe it’s not. I am not out to prove its accuracy; only that there is a bias here.</p>
<p>How do you pronounce the title?? The Pharmageddon Herbal Western Herbology Revealed. I can’t wait to add it to my library. Sorry for the cynicism, leal. Its just way too weird for me.</p>
<p>Basically, in the jury group opinions ranged from “I love my chiropractor and see him/her regularly for adjustments”–to putting them on a level of a witch doctor. I personally was not impressed with his testimony as his attitude was “everything” that goes wrong in the body can be traced to the spine and thus with proper manipulations can be corrected.</p>
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<p>That’s just a website that reviewed the book. It just happened to be one that came up on the search. It means nothing and mentioning that is just a distraction from the actual book, which was written by an MD.</p>
<p>Ah, amazon.com has some used copies:</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.amazon.com/Death-Modern-Medicine-about-Book/dp/0973739207/ref=sr_1_20/103-6018241-1454261?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1193974682&sr=1-20[/url]”>http://www.amazon.com/Death-Modern-Medicine-about-Book/dp/0973739207/ref=sr_1_20/103-6018241-1454261?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1193974682&sr=1-20</a></p>
<p>It’s available here also:</p>
<p><a href=“Death By Modern Medicine – Health and Medicine Blog”>Death By Modern Medicine – Health and Medicine Blog;
<p>Come on, leal. Of course there are errors in medicine- and you will find articles to support whatever opinion you have. I think this is no different than pulling up stuff on the web. As we all know on CC, just because someone writes it doesnt make it so. That herbal book is not exactly a peer reviewed reference journal.</p>
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<p>The fact that they try to treat ailments like that with chiropractic <em>at all</em> is quackery. Adding herbal miracle cures to the therapy doesn’t remove the nonsense factor from attempting to treat allergies, diabetes, etc. by manipulating the spine.</p>
<p>The author of the book you site, lealdragon, also wrote this : <a href=“http://www.amazon.com/Frail-Social-Body-Pornography-Homosexuality/dp/0520219953/ref=sr_1_16/002-1612996-3948012?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1193975128&sr=1-16[/url]”>http://www.amazon.com/Frail-Social-Body-Pornography-Homosexuality/dp/0520219953/ref=sr_1_16/002-1612996-3948012?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1193975128&sr=1-16</a> My, I am so impressed by her vast span of knowledge</p>
<p>Thank you, coureur.</p>
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<p>I agree that some chiropractors have that attitude, including my own, though he is really awesome in his skill. I would never ask him for nutritional advice, though!</p>
<p>That attitude seems to be common in various professions, however. Certainly not unique to chiropractors. </p>
<p>Just for the record, I am NOT anti-doctor. Modern, conventional medicine saved my life and my baby’s. Allopathic medicine shines in the areas of acute conditions and emergencies. </p>
<p>I just don’t care for their attitude that they are good at health care, when they are really more about disease management and the management of emergencies.</p>
<p>I wish all the practitioners of all the different methodologies would recognize the value in the others and work together.</p>
<p>Hey wait, there are some practitioners doing just that! It’s called Complementary Medicine and it’s gaining in popularity. There is an MD here in town who runs a Complementary Health clinic and he employs alternative healing modalities when appropriate, and allopathic when appropriate. I think it’s wonderful. I wish practitioners would be open to considering other paradigms and see the good in them instead of automatically assuming they are quacks.</p>
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<p><sigh> As usual, I am outnumbered by those who have zero understanding of wholistic medicine. Rather than repeat my past explanations (on other threads) I’m going to exit this useless discussion. </sigh></p>
<p>Minds are like parachutes. They function better when open.</p>
<p>mkm-
maybe they should have called in a reflexologist? I believe they think that everything that goes on in your body can be traced to stuff on the bottom of your foot</p>