<p>Give me a break, Hanna. Women secrete testosterone, too. Does that make it a female hormone? I guess in your way of thinking, it would be.</p>
<p>My point is that it would be a misleading oversimplification at best to say “men secrete testosterone, and women secrete estrogen.” Which is a close equivalent to what you said in response to my request for, you know, data.</p>
<p>mini, having sex at 14 hardly would qualify as controlling one’s won sexuality. I would call that succumbing to it at one’s peril. You may come to an entirely different conclusion.</p>
<p>Testosterone is a steroid hormone from the androgen group. Testosterone is primarily secreted in the testes of males and the ovaries of females although small amounts are secreted by the adrenal glands. It is the principal male sex hormone and an anabolic steroid. In both males and females, it plays key roles in health and well-being. Examples include enhanced libido, energy, immune function, and protection against osteoporosis. On average, the adult male body produces about twenty to thirty times the amount of testosterone that an adult female’s body does[1]</p>
<p>Well, as I’ve written before, if my sons are old enough at 18 to go to war for their country, they’re sure old enough to have sex. By 18, I think kids have either absorbed the values we’ve tried to instill in them or they haven’t.</p>
<p>To me, that value is waiting until a deeply felt loving relationship in which the partners care about each other and are committed (as far as they can understand that at 18, 19) to each other. </p>
<p>If they don’t find that at 18 or 19, then tough cookies–guess you just have to have a little self-control to wait until you find it instead of using other people to get your jollies!</p>
<p>Younger than that, kids should be taught that sex is for adults, sorry mini.</p>
<p>But don’t fret–condoms will be handed out with course syllabi in the not too distant future in our high schools as well as morning-after pills, full reproductive health services, etc.</p>
<p>this topic is not far afield of the orginial article- in fact they are very much related…the article and the virginty pledge has very much to do with education, health, knowledge, understanding human sexuality, value of women, choice, people getting information…</p>
<p>to NOT talk about the body when talking about virginity and adstinence would be naive</p>
<p>No, it’s not related. Maybe you don’t like the way certain people approach educating their kids about the meaning of sex, cgm, but too bad. It is a parent’s right. Your OP was just another excuse to bash religion and abstinence-based education.</p>
<p>the silverring guy, teaches that even if you are having sex out of marriage, do not use a condom, and he is going to Africa to preach…damn scary stuff…and ignorant and deadly</p>
<p>guess giving medical advice is in the realm of virginity preachers- that can kill…he teaches that condoms seldom work…so when a pledger engages in oral or anal sex, which they are more apt to do then the non-pledgers, they don’t use any protection…make me want to smack the feds that gave him federal money</p>
<p>“that value is waiting until a deeply felt loving relationship in which the partners care about each other and are committed (as far as they can understand that at 18, 19) to each other.”</p>
<p>Well, what do you know. We’re 100% on the same page about this.</p>
<p>it is so related…that is the POINT…abstienence often doesn’t teach medical information…look at the preacher that ran Silver Rings…he recommends never using a condom, ever, because it doesn’t protect the emotions…what kind of garbage is that</p>
<p>and that is the wonderful abstitance teaching we are supposed to support</p>
<p>“mini, having sex at 14 hardly would qualify as controlling one’s won sexuality. I would call that succumbing to it at one’s peril. You may come to an entirely different conclusion.”</p>
<p>You were the one who wanted to argue “hormones”. Why the sudden switch?</p>
<p>“Younger than that, kids should be taught that sex is for adults, sorry mini.”</p>
<p>I know you believe that. Stickie made that argument on the basis of hormones. I don’t see any any basis for yours - not even Christianity.</p>
<p>My wife’s rule is that there should be no sex until both partners can talk about safe sex together without giggling. (But that eliminates an awful lot of 40 year olds.)</p>
<p>I’ve always been there, Hanna. People hear “conservative” and they shut their ears (or close their eyes, as the case may be). :)</p>
<p>You don’t like my basis, mini. That’s been established many times over.</p>
<p>and yeah, if a religios PRACTICE demeans girls and treats them like daddy’s personal property tp give to another man, I will bash it…I find it sick that these girls are taught their bodies are not their own, but that dear old dad holds the key to her vagina…yeah, I will bash it…too bad for you</p>
<p>The funny thing is, I suspect that most of us parents have the same ultimate goal in mind, and diametrically opposed views about how to get there. I don’t want my daughter to be taught the view that her value in the world is based upon her ability to provide sexual service to a man - which causes me to recoil from the “purity ball” mentality of being handed off from father to husband. At the same time other posters are concerned that young women will be “used” by guys interested only in casual sex and “hookups” (a term which my daughter has advised us does not necessarily involve “sex”.) But I think we all want our daughters to grow up strong, confident and independent. </p>
<p>If only the road was as easy to figure out as the destination…</p>
<p>cgm: Any stories about backwards, incestuous, fanantical humanists in the teen mags lately that you could post for us? It’s wondrous that humanists/agnostics/atheists are just so enlightened and error-free about every aspect of life. We certainly never hear a peep about them in the media. Amazing. We should all convert, I guess.</p>
<p>it is soooo interesting that religion is used to justify treating women like less then the male…</p>
<p>People use religion to justify killing a women who was raped, or had an affair…and to teach bad medicine and science, and I find that going to Africa, that place of an AIDS epidemic and saying condom use is dangerous is the ultimate of dangerous and yeah, I will bash away, it is my right…and just to call something “relgious” is not a magic shield from criticism which many seem to believe…if it is religious, it is supposed to never be judged, or talked about, or bashed…WOW</p>
<p>humanists/agnostics/atheist don’t use a book or books written by human beings to justify what they do, and expect to be protected from all judgement because of a book…just because someone says God says so doesn’t make it so, or right…guess we should all go around stoning non-virgins cause the bible says so…</p>
<p>some people will say it is religion, so can’t say anything bad about it and that is pure hogwash…</p>
<p>OK, I’m not trying to be a smarta** here. But I am confused. Because I would have predicted that many of you that are the most blecchhhed out by the whole girl/boy sex dichotomy, would be incensed if I asked you this- how about if my 19 yr old young man has sex with a 16 yr old young woman? Or how about if my 15 yr old boy gets a 13 yr old girl to give him oral sex? It seems like on other threads I’ve seen, the boy (who may only be 16 or 17 himself) gets rained on for sex with underage girls. If it’s really true that girls have been sexually ready since 13, and it’s OK to not wait until they’re in their late teens/twenties, then it’s OK to have sex with men. Young men, men who are maybe the same age, maybe a year/two/three older? Where is the line drawn?</p>
<p><a href=“http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:tczGjZJOjTkJ:www.publichealthreports.org/userfiles/122_1/12_PHR122-1_73-78.pdf+median+age+sex+first&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=6&gl=us[/url]”>http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:tczGjZJOjTkJ:www.publichealthreports.org/userfiles/122_1/12_PHR122-1_73-78.pdf+median+age+sex+first&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=6&gl=us</a></p>
<p>As the article indicates, since 1954, virutally everyone has premarital sex. What is interesting (to me) about the data, is that the age of first intercourse declines in a straight-line association with changes in sexual maturity over the same time period, suggesting that virtually all of the differences can be accounted for in hormonal changes.</p>
<p>But, as noted, our societal expectations have deviated from that norm, with extended adolescence, creation of teenagehood, assumption of college, and advanced age at marriage, etc. This is where the cognitive dissonance occurs, where hormonal “truths” come screeching up against societal ones.</p>
<p>“I’ve always been there, Hanna. People hear “conservative” and they shut their ears”</p>
<p>Well, clearly, if I didn’t know that you approve of 18-19 year olds having sex within a committed relationship, the fault must be mine for not listening. You must have told me that before – right? – or else you wouldn’t have brought up my closed ears.</p>