<p>As much as I would like to agree with you that it’s rude and unfair for anyone to “belittle the achievements of others”, I have to argue that most Asians at Ivy League Schools, at least at Yale, must be National Merit Finalists or have extremely high SAT scores that are way above the NMS threshhold. National merit is not a very impressive achievement by itself.</p>
<p>I’m not saying that the quadruplets are not “impressive candidates” by any means; I’m just saying that you underestimate the achievements of ORMs who are either rejected or deferred by Yale;)</p>
<p>^same. I didn’t say the quadruplets are unqualified (they must be, for all of them to be admitted) but national merit means next to nothing. and anyone who claims that it’s some kind of golden ticket that “most asians at ivies don’t even hold” is totally ignorant. like calico said, you would have a hard time finding an asian who goes to yale that didnt get above a 2150 on the SAT</p>
<p>for blacks and hispanics, they also have national achievement scholar, which is a run off of national merit scholar, you need a PSAT score of at least 190 (i think) to get it</p>
<p>These four kids look like great students and wonderful kids. If they end up at Yale, I’m sure they’ll succeed.</p>
<p>That being said, insinuate? Who needs to insinuate? Just go over to the EA results thread, and you see plenty of white and Asian kids with better qualifications who were deferred. It’s not a secret that at Ivy League schools, the African American admits as a group have lower grades and scores on average than other students.</p>
<p>I support affirmative action, so this does not bother me. At the same time, let’s not pretend that all four of these kids would have been admitted if they were Chinese.</p>
<p>Completely agreed. If these four were not Nigerians, would they have been accepted? I believe not. It is quite unfortunate. For the rest of their lives, they will persistently have the thought that their success in receiving acceptance to the nation’s third-best undergraduate university would not have been possible if it was not for the color of their skin. This is exactly what affirmative action creates and its very sad but truthful reality.</p>
<p>Racism, whether we would like to admit it or not, is still largely present in our nation. What we need is one future Ivy League president (preferrably at HYP) to overturn that school’s affirmative action admission policies to truly achieve some degree of racial equanimity. This will largely lead American education on a new path of enlightenment, one in which we will be viewed by our accomplishments and successes rather than something that does not define any of us beyond a superficial level.</p>
<p>Oh, really? How did you acquire all their essays, SAT scores, and recommendations? I’m interested what evidence you have that their ethnicities got them accepted other than the fact that they are URMs? </p>
<p>Frankly, I’m disgusted by everybody griping about affirmative action on this thread (or about how much they wish they were a quadruplet so that they, too, could get into Yale). Seriously, what a bunch of whiny teenagers. No, you’re probably not going to get into Yale. Yes, these people did. Sure, it makes you feel a lot better to think that they got in because of their race, or the number of siblings they have, but it’s all a bunch of bull. Yale turns down thousands of URM applicants every year. The ones they do accept are <em>infinitely</em> qualified to be there. I’m a freshman here, and I have not met a single URM student that didn’t clearly, and absolutely, deserve admission. The URMs I have met have higher SAT scores than me, are published writers, professional musicians, and researchers. The insinuation that they got in purely because of their race, or that you deserve to be a Yale student more than they do, is complete bull. I hope Yale sees your shallow self-centeredness come through on your applications.</p>
<p>I love how this thread is turning into an AA battleground. Seriously - it seems like every other person on this forum hates AA with the same ferocity a KKK guy hates blacks … and would probably jump a URM if they found out they got into a university they didn’t…</p>
<p>Look I am thrilled that these kids got into Yale but there is no way on Earth they would have gotten in if they were white or asian. Oh man ONE of them was a NMSF and ONE of them got an 800 on the SAT verbal. That takes some major skillz. Their rank, though, was even more impressive. I don’t recall the exact number but the best of the four ranked like 14th in their class and the worst ranked like 48th in their class. If these are the greatest achievements these kids have received in high school, AA is worse than I could have possibly imagined.</p>
<p>You know wats even stranger. I am only one person and alone I have an 800 on the SAT verbal, am a NMSF, and am Val of my class. I must be so amazing…but I was deferred from Yale. These kids must be magic.</p>
<p>Well the one who was ranked 13 (that was the rank from the article and I remember because that was my rank when I got admitted) was probably the one who was also a NMS, and his rank was not too low as there was a white girl who posted on the EA results who was admitted being 16 in her class. So he was qualified to get into Yale. </p>
<p>To be honest, when I read their accomplishments I thought that they would not have been admitted with affirmative action as well. I don’t think there is anything racist or wrong when people state the reality of the situation. I mean if blacks as a population group did not have lower qualifications than their white or Asian counterparts then affirmative action would no longer be practiced.</p>
<p>I don’t think that how they dress affected the admission decision much, and considering this is a website primarily dedicated to college admissions it is much more apropos to discuss their admission qualifications.</p>
<p>Besides I think only girls care about how people dress.</p>
<p>It’s disgusting to read the small, envious and frankly racist comments on this post. I love reading these posts every year from students who don’t get into various colleges and universities and they feel that they can always second guess the decision of the admissions offices. Of course, for these highly qualified (only in their own mind) students who were rejected, they were wronged by some URM. PLease these quadruplets can go whereever they want. They’re extremely interesting and intellectually capable. It’s frightening to know that society keeps producing such racist people.</p>
<p>To be honest it is not racist, I am a black freshman at Yale and I thought the same thing. If these same people on these boards had opened that article to read that each of them was tied for #1 in their school and had 2300+ scores on the SAT, then no one would have said something derogatory about their acceptance. But to be honest being number 46 out of a class of 632 is too low of a class rank, and for the only notable thing about their scores to be a single 800 out of the entire four raises suspicions about their qualifications.</p>
<p>It is actually very easy to distinguish the minorities who get in based on merit and the ones who do not, just ask what their scores were.</p>
<p>I disagree. Scores are not the only indicators of Merit. Isn’t that a bit narrow-sighted and in fact implies a sense of entitlement/supremacy that students “too confident” in their credentials are stereotypically known to have? </p>
<p>The only information anybody here has about there SAT scores, as far as I’m aware, is that one of them got an 800 on the verbal. Besides that, and the fact that the New York Times article says they’re “sky-high”, you just don’t know. One could have a 1800, they could all have 2300s, we just don’t know. And like zosudettai said, scores are important but there are tons of other important factors, too. So guess all you want about the content of their applications, but please remember that we haven’t seen them.
Also, their high school has more than 700 kids per class, so I’d imagine the GPA differences between people ranked 10 and 20 (or whatever) are probably very small.</p>
<p>“Yeah all of the above were unqualified to get into Yale :rolls eyes:”</p>
<p>That’s some pretty weak logic, Dbate. They aren’t saying ALL URMs admitted have relatively weak credentials. A few URM admits that have great credentials do nothng to refute the fact that a lot of URMs are admitted that wouldn’t have a chance if they were white or Asian.</p>