Quadruplets Admitted to Yale

[NearL]

<p>mifune, I’m a biology and philosophy major.</p>

<p>pigsatsea i’m doin tis 4 teh lulz at this point.</p>

[mifune]

<p>These comments below are still from the previous day’s discussion:</p>

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I think it is obvious that there are some minorities who are admitted to top schools with lower standards (I was one of them) and so I do not think the attacks are unfounded.

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<p>This is the exact form of realization that I have dedicated my efforts to during this thread. This mutual bipartisan awareness is something that fundamentally denotes the current imperfections present in modern AA policy.</p>

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In terms of legacy status, however, the boost is entirely commensurate to the extent of legacy.

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<p>Perfectly, true and this is an important assertion.</p>

[mifune]

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mifune, I’m a biology and philosophy major.

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<p>Oh, excellent. What careers are you currently considering?</p>

[mifune]

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yay! you guys are stillll rambling on!!! high fives!! yay yay yay

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<p>pigs<em>at</em>sea, although you strike me as a bit weird, I will admit that you do interject a trace of amusement into the tedium often associated with such discussions.</p>

[mifune]

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Race and ethnicity has a direct impact on our experiences, perspectives, and what we actively pursue. How we are treated or how we are perceived by society is influenced by the colors of our skin and our culture. You cannot deny this. You might not have this experience because of your individual race, but you cannot make the blanket claim that race does not impact our experiences.

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<p>Yes, race correlates to the individual events we experience and the perspectives we are subjected to. However, this is not exclusive to certain races and absent in others. Moreover, it does not necessarily induce everyday hindrances. Detrimental features that affect educational or personal attainment is a much more socially complex process than the simple overt appearance of skin color. Caucasian or Asian heritage correlates in the same way to unique experiences and differing perspectives that are no less valid than those who possess differing skin pigmentations simply because our own backgrounds are different. Caucasians, for instance, may be Catholic, Jewish, atheist, Swedish, and Hungarian among other qualities which encompass many perspectives and beliefs, all of which contribute to diversity. Again, we cannot define the extent to which we are privileged, talented, or immersed in unique perspectives by the very basic quality of skin-color homogeneity.</p>

[pigs_at_sea]

<p>^I’MMM a bit weird? aw that hurt =[</p>

[mifune]

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pigsatsea i’m doin tis 4 teh lulz

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<p>NearL, just curious, but is this the sentence structure and diction that is the secret behind achieving A’s at Yale?</p>

[mifune]

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^I’MMM a bit weird? aw that hurt =[

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<p>More precisely, I meant that your vivacious personality is more distinctive from the standard tone that pervades this thread.</p>

[mifune]

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How are we defining “Affirmative Action?” Because it seems many of us have been treating it differently and I think it would serve the discussion well if we just clarify this up.

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<p>I consider the purpose of Affirmative Action to be a social policy which seeks to be an objective purpose that places contextual effects into the overall evaluation of an applicant to best seek the equitable assessment of all candidates.</p>

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I do not think that the people that are accepted to top tiers schools (“low performing” minorities and non-minorities, like legacies and athletes) are not qualified for the school. Sure, maybe they don’t have 2400s or 4.0s but I do not think that that is the definition of qualified.

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<p>This is precisely the reason why “qualification,” which constitutes a particularly indistinct threshold and must be based on the various degrees of merit established relative to those present within the applicant pool, is a continuum and not a binary concept.</p>

[mifune]

<p>As silverturtle, me, and others are asserting, assuring the equitable treatment of all candidates involved in a competition fundamentally based on merit is far more socially complex than skin color. Current AA policy, we argue, is not the most intellectually rigorous solution to guaranteeing the achievement of this idealism and should rather be based on a greater collection of factors and established with a more objective methodology.</p>

[NearL]

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NearL, just curious, but is this the sentence structure and diction that is the secret behind achieving A’s at Yale?

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<p>yes.(ten chars.)</p>

[pigs_at_sea]

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More precisely, I meant that your vivacious personality is more distinctive from the standard tone that pervades this thread.

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<p>yahyah best/most eloquent compliment ever!!
this shall be the answer to my short answers question(if yale ever decides to let scea deferees revise their apps)</p>

<p>Recall a compliment that you received. What was it and who was it from?:

More precisely, I meant that your vivacious personality is more distinctive from the standard tone that pervades this thread.

from: a poster on collegeconfidential in the yale forum in a thread discussing how yale admitted nigerian quadruplets!! yaya</p>

[mifune]

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yes.(ten chars.)

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<p>Okay, thanks. I will make it a priority to institute that style before college.</p>

[pigs_at_sea]

<p>i declare CMburns (post#13) the instigator of this fantastic discussion!!

if their last name was Kim or Cho or Chang or Patel- now that would be impressive.

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[silverturtle]

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assuring the equitable treatment of all candidates involved in a competition fundamentally based on merit is far more socially complex than skin color. Current AA policy, we argue, is not the most intellectually rigorous solution to guaranteeing the achievement of this idealism and should rather be based on a greater collection of factors and established with a more objective methodology.

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<p>This nicely sums things up.</p>

[mifune]

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also mifune, just curious, but what does your username mean or represent?

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<p>Oh, I forgot to address LuciaB’s question a few pages back.</p>

<p>My username is dedicated to Kyuzo Mifune who was a Japanese judo legend. If you care to read more, here is a link: [Kyuzo</a> Mifune - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](<a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyuzo_Mifune]Kyuzo”>Kyuzo Mifune - Wikipedia)</p>

[pigs_at_sea]

<p>yay for japanese judo people</p>

[drbigboyjoe9505]

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Caucasians, for instance, may be Catholic, Jewish, atheist, Swedish, and Hungarian among other qualities which encompass many perspectives and beliefs, all of which contribute to diversity. Again, we cannot define the extent to which we are privileged, talented, or immersed in unique perspectives by the very basic quality of skin-color homogeneity.

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<p>I would argue this is but one of the reasons why whites still make up almost 60% of every student body. I do not believe that every black person has the same experience, nor does every white, Asian, or Latino person. But, in fact, I think that the varying experiences within each group is exactly why wealthy URMs get in - because they, by virtue of their wealth, have a different experiences than the average URM.</p>

<p>Now that I know how you guys are defining AA, I think the reason I do not agree with your arguments against AA is because I have more faith in admissions practices of private, elite universities and do not think they accept unqualified URMs just for the heck of it. To me, admissions officers do take context into consideration when evaluating their applicants and accept those they truly believe deserve to be there. This is not to say that qualified, deserving students aren’t denied. But rather that the resume of those that were denied were probably very similar to other resumes that were somehow more appealing to the adcoms.</p>

<p>Now, as my last question on this thread: How do you guys propose we “change” this AA system for the better? (Keep in mind that should adcoms completely disregard race/ethnicity and simply admit people in terms of numbers, then URMs will practically be denied from every college. You might think this is okay, in which case I guess this proposition works well with you guys.</p>

[ChoklitRain]

<p>^ Your thoughts on the purpose behind considering race in admissions are naive and overly optimistic. They just want different colored people in the student body. That’s why race alone is an admissions factor. They don’t use race as a way to find those with “different experiences.” </p>

<p>Why do they want different colored students?

• they’re private, but they want government grants, and that means having minorities
• it makes the campus and their marketing materials look better
• if URMs didn’t get in, they would stop applying, and they can’t afford a drop in apps from the rapidly growing URM population
• having URMs on campus improves the image of these schools. it’s good for PR and prevents them from being branded elitist/snobby/WASPy. the end result is probably more apps.
• all of their rivals are doing it!</p>

[Dbate]

<p>Essentially the arguments presented in this thread really do not matter. As much as the current debate revolves around “qualifications” the only real qualification is whether one can handle the workload at a given university. If that threshold is meet then a college can pick whomever they like. I was admitted with lower qualifications than many other students, but that didn’t stop me from getting almost all A’s my first semester (1 B in calc, but whateves). </p>

<p>So if students like myself are still doing well at the university then the university has not lost anything, but rather I would wager gained more than if another random student had been admitted.</p>

<p>For instance, right now I am contemplating starting a program to recruit black male undergraduates at Yale to tutor in New Haven public schools, to function as role models to be emulated by the local underrepresented students. Would a white person do something similar? Most definitely, but a white person who attends Yale has within their pigmentation a dissonance that renders them ineffective candidates for emulation by some minorities, and therefore a white Yalie would be severely less potent than a black Yalie. </p>

<p>There are tacit societal positives to affirmative action that I think admission committees are cognizant of and therefore continue to employ the policy on that basis. Judge Sotomayor is a prime example, to white students she was affirmative action baby, but to minorities (including myself) she was a role model and I respect her very much. The social benefits that result from affirmative action far outweigh any harms the policy causes.</p>

<p>And for those who would assert that minorities are discredited of their achievements because of affirmative action I would ask discredited by whom? Perhaps whites and Asians do not view a minority as impressive when they attend an elite school, but Hispanics and blacks certainly do. And it is these groups who need the most motivation to eradicate decades of systemic psychological oppression. </p>

<p>I don’t ask that any of you agree with the policy, and for that matter I couldn’t care less if you did. But the fact remains that there are tangible benefits to affirmative action that reach far wider and deeper than merit ever could.</p>