Question on captured bombers

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<p>One of the bombers of the second attack has been captured alive, he was shot with a taser gun in a house he was hiding out in.</p>

<p>Police have also released information about a car that was left by the bombers of the 7/7 attacks, it was filled with 16 bombs and police thought that other bombers would pick them up to carry out other attacks.</p>

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<p>this guy got shot by his own stupidity. Running away from the cops and jumping over barriers is asking for trouble. Stop, and put your hands up. It’s not that hard.</p>

<p>It’s unfortunate that innocent people die, but if a few innocent people have to be shot for every guy who gets shot with a bomb stuck to him, those are better odds than not shooting anyone and losing 100 people to a guy with a bomb.</p>

<p>All you have to do is put a bomb in a backpack, and carry it into a subway station / train. Mass transit is practically impossible to make safe from these type of attacks.</p>

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<p>Just as I suspected. The Brazilian was needlessly shot. He did not run from police. He was not wearing a heavy coat. The police did not shout any warnings.</p>

<p>A complete and utter tragedy. The shooter will be fired as will others, so says me.</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,22989-1738370,00.html[/url]”>http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,22989-1738370,00.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>Fired?
If the leaked documents are accurate, then this is a case of murder. It should be prosecuted as such. You not only have an intential, point-blank shooting of a law-abiding individual who posed no threat whatsoever – but it now appears that you have one or more individuals with the police who participated in a cover-up by making false statements.</p>

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<p>Shot Brazilian ‘wrongly identified’
From correspondents in London
17aug05</p>

<p>THE fate of a Brazilian electrician shot dead by British police was sealed the moment he was wrongly identified in a bungled surveillance operation as a possible suicide bomber, ITV News said today.
ITV News obtained what it said were secret documents and photographs from the shooting on July 22 of Jean Charles de Menezes, killed the day after four would-be bombers failed in attacks on London’s transport system.</p>

<p>CCTV footage and eyewitness accounts cited by ITV News showed the Brazilian was not wearing a padded jacket and walked calmly through the underground station barriers - contrary to initial reports that he was running and had a bulky jacket that could have concealed a bomb.</p>

<p>Firearms officers had been given clearance to kill Mr de Menezes but, as they sped towards the underground railway station, he apparently seemed completely unaware that he was being tailed, ITV News said.</p>

<p>According to witness accounts and statements made by police officers involved, Mr de Menezes boarded the train and was restrained by a surveillance officer before he was shot eight times.</p>

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<p><a href=“http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,22989-1738370,00.html[/url]”>The Times & The Sunday Times: breaking news & today's latest headlines;
"CCTV footage clearly shows that Senhor de Menezes was wearing a thin denim jacket so he could not be concealing a bomb and nor was he carrying any bag.</p>

<p>Far from running to avoid police who were tailing him, the electrician did not realise anyone was following him. He used his season ticket and did not vault the barrier. He only began to run when he saw a train pull into the station and as many commuters do he quickened his pace to catch it."</p>

<p>the facts are slowly coming out…check them out…</p>

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<p>Thanks for the posting, Cheers. I’ve been looking for more info. From the start, it was pretty apparent that the story wasn’t hanging together.</p>

<p>Why are folks so quick to blame the victim? Perhaps because they feel they’re less likely to be the victim if it’s his fault?</p>

<p>Very, very sad.</p>

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Cheers pretty much cleared this up 3 weeks ago in #48. It’s certainly tragic, but I see no reason that we should all automatically assume that the police accounts are always false. This one clearly was, and the wheels of justice will grind on, and thoroughly.</p>

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<p>Agreed. Police accounts are not always false…and news reports are not always accurate, eh?</p>

<p>Actually, I didn’t clear this up a few weeks ago but I had my hunches that the story had holes. Truthfully, I would have never guessed that the story was complete baloney. That bit is shocking.</p>

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<p>Imagine if no witnesses or no pictures…would we know the truth?</p>

<p>As for it being cleared up three weeks ago, the police were lying three weeks ago, the British government said it was necessary, and that the guy was at fault and they were “sorry”.</p>

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<p>The article Cheers posted 3 weeks ago contained new information that made it clear that the officers had committed a wrongful death. The police high-hats admitted as much very soon after. It’s wrong to be overly-cynical about it, at this point.</p>

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<p>If the police had not come out with such a different story as compared to the truth, it would be easier to understand such a tragic mistake. But stories of bulky jackets, jumping turnstiles, running, which, if any of that had been true would have been perhaps an understandable mistake, but since none of that was true, they come across worse.</p>

<p>And saying, he had to be shot because of his bulky clothing and actions, which were all blatently false statements. He did nothing at all to warrant any kind of shooting to the head. 8 times.</p>

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<p>Many of the false details were circulated by the press, not the police.</p>

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<p>The key false statements came from police:

<a href=“http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/17/international/europe/17london.html[/url]”>http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/17/international/europe/17london.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>The press circulated what the police told them…</p>

<p>Interesting that we blame the press, they often don’t cover the news well enough, then when they do, we blame them</p>

<p>The press reported what they were told, and then corrected it, something I wish we would do here</p>

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The press reported what it was told by the police, in both instances. The initial report in the immediate aftermath, and the correction following the completion of the police investigation, a few days later.</p>

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<p>What they said aftera few days was the the victim was not connected, but still said he fled, jumped a barrier, was acting strange, had an expired visa and that’s why he ran, was wearing a bulky coat. The correction was that he was not a terrorist.</p>

<p>Now, the reports, eyewitness statements, video, pictures, etc all show the police did not tell the truth…</p>

<p><a href=“Police under pressure over Menezes leak | UK news | The Guardian”>Police under pressure over Menezes leak | UK news | The Guardian;

<p><a href=“http://observer.guardian.co.uk/focus/story/0,6903,1548808,00.html[/url]”>Death in Stockwell: the unanswered questions | 7 July London attacks | The Guardian;

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<p>CGM,
the articles you cite make it clear that the “padded coat” reference came from a non-police bystander, and was given directly (and reported by) the press. Also that there is actually a lack of video, which some find suspicious–not videos that “show the police did not tell the truth.” </p>

<p>I just thought you’d want to know what was in those articles you linked to.</p>

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<p>Detectives also claimed immediately after the shooting that Mr Menezes had refused to heed shouted warnings by armed police and vaulted the ticket barriers at Stockwell Tube station. </p>

<p>Now police say that he used his travelcard to gain access to the station. Ms Figueiredo said: “They are saying he did absolutely nothing wrong when he was killed, so why don’t they say all this publicly.” </p>

<p><a href=“Brazilian did not wear bulky jacket | UK news | The Guardian”>Brazilian did not wear bulky jacket | UK news | The Guardian;

<p>“Mr de Menezes was shot seven times in the head and once in the shoulder at 10am last Friday after being followed from Tulse Hill. Scotland Yard initially claimed he wore a bulky jacket and jumped the barrier when police identified themselves and ordered him to stop. The same day the Met commissioner, Sir Ian Blair, said the shooting was “directly linked” to the unprecedented anti-terror operation on London’s streets.”</p>

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Again, CGM, I urge you to read and digest articles before you post them. I don’t see evidence of a conspiracy here. Instead, I see a rapid public admission of a collossal, tragic, hugely embarassing mistake.</p>