<p>Teal: What do you mean by paying all of your loans? You are by law supposed to pay all of your loans later.</p>
<p>I think your question was whether you have some negotiating power to increase the grant award and thus, decrease the burden of borrowing in the form of loan?</p>
<p>I really dont believe that you would have negotiating power, since UCLA is a public school. But again, I can be wrong on this issue.</p>
<p>thanks
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<p>Can someone tell me about this maximum unit cap and how it works? How do you request a petition to go over that amount and how many hours do they usually allow over if granted your petition? Can youI get GE’s in the summer at a community college, that would to make a double major in 2 separate schools possible?</p>
<p>They allow you as many as you want if you can demonstrate that you can finish in 4 years. (generally by filling out a course plan)</p>
<p>Yes, filing a petition is the way to go. If you are in a good standing (above 3.0 or 3.2 depending on what you want to major), the whole filing petition process is just a formality, and usually they allow you to take the courses as many as you want.</p>
<p>For instance, when I had only a quarter left in 2001 and realized that I needed to complete 26 units alone in that quarter to qualify for graduation in that year, I filed a petition for maximum unit cap, and they allowed me to do that many units for that quarter.</p>
<p>Hi. I have 2 questions:</p>
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<li><p>Can you please tell me about the international econ major? That is what I plan to major in but I haven’t heard all that much about it. How is it job-wise compared to BizEcon? Can you also give me a bit of information about the Accounting minor? I think I want to minor in that as well.</p></li>
<li><p>And out of curiosity, say you fill out the form demonstrating that you can graduate in 4 years (with the extra units), would you still be able to stay for an extra quarter if things don’t work out according to plan? Like, will UCLA get upset and make you graduate anyways?</p></li>
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<p>Thanks!</p>
<p>DaRaver, how difficult is it to get into the undergrad business program at UCLA? I am a bit hesitant about UCLA, because there is the chance I won’t get into the major I am interested in once I get there. To me, it would be horrible to get into my first choice school, but not get into the major I want there. </p>
<p>Also, how is the workload in the undergrad business school? Of course I expect to work hard, but I don’t want it to be the only thing I do. Are the classes very large at Anderson? I know a lot of other top under grad business schools tend to have smaller classes for a lot of the business classes. Is this the case with the large student population at Anderson?</p>
<p>Third, how are the job prospects coming out of Anderson? I am debating whether I would like to do Navy ROTC, which I feel would help get me into a top grad school after my 4 years of service, or skip ROTC, and try to find a job straight out of school. Do you think Anderson will land you a nice job straight out of school, or would promotions be much quicker if I ended up going back to a grad school for my MBA?</p>
<p>I just want to thank you DaRaverLA for all your help. I think we all appreciate you taking your time to answer all our questions.</p>
<p>Hmm… I think you’re confused. Anderson is the Graduate school of management. UCLA doesn’t have an official undergrad business school. The closest thing is the BizEcon major I think.</p>
<p>Yeah, I think I’m wrong, I thought Anderson was the graduate and undergraduate school. I’m talking about the undergrad business program (I guess its called the bizecon major).</p>
<p>It’s not a business program, and it’s not designed to be. It’s very very popular, which is why it’s competitive to get into. However, as the website itself says, the admissions requirements–though stringent–are completely doable. It goes on to say that most people who don’t get in, can’t make it because of poor performance during freshman year. So as long as you get off to a good start, you’re in pretty good shape.</p>
<p>chistov23: To answer your first question, it is a highly regarded program. As far as the job market is being concerned, you shouldnt be worried. The program requires students to finish up to 5 quarters of foreign language education, so getting a language under your belt should help you in getting a job.</p>
<p>There is no accounting minor at UCLA. Biz Econ itself is accounting-emphasized major, so you dont need to find extra accounting classes to show that you did accounting major if you do Biz Econ major.</p>
<p>And to answer your second question, I really dont know about that. You need to check with a counselor for more accurate information.</p>
<p>Good luck.</p>
<p>devils67 : If you study, attend classes, be serious about your committments, you should have at least 3.0 GPA. Engineering majors do have harder curriculum, but in comparison to the engineering majors, the econ and other liberal arts majors have fairly doable curriculum, so you should have at least B average if you do the work.</p>
<p>College, while it is difficult, is not daunting at all. Some of those people who have lower than 3.0 GPA in arts and letters majors are slackers, and they would be the first one to tell you about that.</p>
<p>“Also, how is the workload in the undergrad business school? Of course I expect to work hard, but I don’t want it to be the only thing I do. Are the classes very large at Anderson? I know a lot of other top under grad business schools tend to have smaller classes for a lot of the business classes. Is this the case with the large student population at Anderson?”</p>
<p>I applied to the Biz Econ program with 3.25 GPA, and I got in, thanks to strong grades in econ, finance, and math courses. To repeat what I said previsouly, you need about 3.3~3.5 to be safe for the admission to the Biz Econ program, and 3.3 is B+ average, which translates to a slightly better performance than the average (B-/C+)</p>
<p>In order words, if you are confident that you will not be a slacker (you know, not coming to morning classes, ditching the discussion classes, not doing homework, failing to show up for quiz), you should be ok. And with determination, you should at least have much better than 3.3 GPA at UCLA.</p>
<p>I hate to quantify the level of GPA in terms of SAT score, but roughly speaking, very roughly speaking, 3.0 threshold in economics would equate 1200 SAT score.</p>
<p>That is just my guess.:)</p>
<p>“Third, how are the job prospects coming out of Anderson? I am debating whether I would like to do Navy ROTC, which I feel would help get me into a top grad school after my 4 years of service, or skip ROTC, and try to find a job straight out of school. Do you think Anderson will land you a nice job straight out of school, or would promotions be much quicker if I ended up going back to a grad school for my MBA?”</p>
<p>The job prospects for Biz Econ undergraduates are very, very good in LA market. If you have good GPA (over 3.3), you should not worry about finding a job. Rather, if you maintain good GPA, you would be seen putting off the offers of working for some company over the prospect of landing more lucrative job offer.</p>
<p>GPA is important for recruiters not because a high GPA means that you have a keen business sense, but because such a high GPA validates you and your character in that you are willing to do whatever it takes to reach your goals. So achieving and maintainig solid GPA is a must in landing the first job after graduation.</p>
<p>"Are the classes very large at Anderson? "</p>
<p>Not at all. If you look hard, there are a handful, I mean, handful of classes that only have 10~15 students.</p>
<p>FOR THOSE OF YOU GUYS ENTERING UCLA THIS COMING FALL, LOOK FOR SEMINAR COURSES (5~15 STUDENTS LIMIT). MANY PEOPLE ARE UNAWARE OF THE COURSES AND THEIR CONTENTS, BUT USUALLY, THE PROFESSORS IMPOSE VERY FLEXIBLE CURVE IN WHICH NO STUDENTS WOULD RECEIVE LOWER THAN B/B-, BECAUSE THE SEMINAR COURSES USE “GRADUATE LEVEL” CURVE AS OPPOSED TO THE UNDERGRADUATE CURVE.</p>
<p>FOR YOUR INFORMATION, THEY ARE VERY DIFFERENT, AS THE GRADAUTE LEVEL CURVE, A MAJORITY OF STUDENTS GET BETTER THAN B (OVER 80~90%).</p>
<p>SO MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE AT LEAST ONE OR TWO SEMINAR COURSES IN YOUR FIRST YEAR TO ENSURE SMOOTH TRANSITION TO YOUR COLLEGE EXPERIENCES.</p>
<p>Good luck.</p>
<p>To clarify, there is actually an accounting minor at UCLA now, I guess it was established after you graduated DaRaver. It is a popular choice for people majoring in biz-econ because a lot of the prereqs and classes overlap with the biz-econ major, so it is not much extra work.</p>
<p>Oh, ****, thats right. My bad. Yes, there is an accounting minor on the top of the Biz Econ curriculum the school offers.</p>
<p>Good point, Brandnew2.</p>
<p>I have a dilemma and would like advice from anyone who can offer it : </p>
<p>I have an offer for a full ride to a CSU, and this CSU has a full-fledged undergrad business program that is actually pretty good. The classes are small, the professors are good, everyone who I’ve talked to is pretty pleased with the program. The school will not only pay for my dorm, but I’ll also get a laptop and all kinds of perks within this special honors program. However, it does not have the reputation of a school like UCLA, and it’s probably closer to home than I would like.</p>
<p>On the other hand, I have the chance to go to UCLA, one of the most prestigious schools on the west coast. But I’ll have to cover housing and other related costs myself (through loans). And there’s no guarantee that I’ll be admitted into the BizEcon major (which I’m still fuzzy on in terms of what careers it’ll funnel into after UG education). I’m not sure just how concerned I ought to be about these issues?</p>
<p>Also, I’m not sure if I will want/need to go ahead and get an MBA, and it doesn’t look like I can count on getting into Anderson for grad school anyways.</p>
<p>Help? :(</p>
<p>GLM225:</p>
<p>For your information, when I was a high school senior back in 1995, I turned down a full ride to USC and UC San Diego. Also, I turned down an admision offer from UC Berkeley. Furthermore, I turned down $10,000 fellowship grant from NYU.</p>
<p>Why? For what?</p>
<p>All for the opportunity to attend UCLA and hence get some security of finding a premier job in the LA area.</p>
<p>I will speak in terms of monetary costs, since this area seems like the place with which you are most concerned with.</p>
<p>During the four years and a quarter I attended UCLA, I took out a total of $30,000 in loans ($10,000 private loan due to my personal circumstance at the time).</p>
<p>And I am paying about $230 per month for the next 10 years.</p>
<p>Thus, you should ask yourself. Would $230 a month (I am sure you would take much, much less loan amount because I dont think you will have any extenuating circumstances I had) affect your decision to attend your school?</p>
<p>And to answer your question, you need to carefully evalute the merits of graduating with UCLA Biz Econ degree over those of graduating with CSU degree in the job market.</p>
<p>And for your information, ALL, I mean, ALL without any exception, of blue-chip and high-profile companies such as Investment Banking firms (Goldman Sachs, Morgran Stanley, CIBC World Market, Deutche Bank), Management Consulting firms (McKinsey, Boston Consulting, Bain), and others (Microsoft, IBM, etc) come to UCLA during the recruiting season for an interview. </p>
<p>This procedure is called “Campus Interview”, the most effective way for both students and firms to meet each other for some serious conversation about the job. I would assume that most graduating students with good GPA land their first job via this “Campus Interview” process. So needless to say, this whole procedure would make your job searching a lot easier than otherwise would be.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, the same companies I just metioned previsouly do not come to CSU campuses. There might be a few, but I am really not sure. After all, many recruiters come to UCLA because UCLA is one of a few “Core Schools” they visit for recruiting purpose.</p>
<p>Thus, the next question for you to answer before deciding which school to attend is whether you are fully aware of how much work you need to do in terms of job searching, securing job interviews, and actually interviewing with high ranking executives at these firms on YOUR OWN without the benefits of UCLA degree.</p>
<p>If you are certainly aware, and if you have what it takes to successfully make the transition from school to job (e.g: your father is the head of McKinsey, your grandfather is the senior board member of some investment management firm, your next door neighbor is the managing director of Morgan Stanley, your ex-girlfriend’s current boyfriend is a son of multibillionaire Paul Allen, or your Las Vegas gambling buddy is actually the hotel owener in which you guys have played blackjack at, etc), then you dont need to go to UCLA and pay outrageous $5000~6000 in tuition every year.</p>
<p>Personally, I didnt have the same degree of confidence back in 1995 when I made the decision, thus, I chose UCLA (albeit the fact that this factor was only one of the myriads and not the most critical).</p>
<p>What do you think, now that I have explained the whole process? :)</p>
<p>Good Luck.</p>
<p>p.s. If you are certain that you would go on to the graduate level program right after finishing undergraduate without entering the job market and that you are confident that you can achieve a high GPA of 3.7~3.9 at the CSU campus you are considering, then I think you should go to the CSU campus near your home and enjoy all the perks they give you.</p>
<p>Im not sure whether i should attend UCLA this fall or go to the east coast and attend an accelerated medical program which guarantees me a seat into medical school provided i maintain a certain gpa and take the mcats for formality. I like California and am native to the area…but im wondering would i be foolish to compete against so many other hopeful medical school students at UCLA? I hear its completely impossible to get into med school but i feel i ahve the potential and am qualified…like i went to an extremely compettive high school (wehre i rank top 1 percent)…and 84 kids got into ucla from my school…so ya ive experience cut throat competition but want to know can i survive and truly make it inot meds chool if i apply myself really well? or will i jsut end up being one of the many rejected numbers from a huge campus such as LA? thanks…</p>
<p>Im not sure whether i should attend UCLA this fall or go to the east coast and attend an accelerated medical program which guarantees me a seat into medical school provided i maintain a certain gpa and take the mcats for formality. I like California and am native to the area…but im wondering would i be foolish to compete against so many other hopeful medical school students at UCLA? I hear its completely impossible to get into med school but i feel i ahve the potential and am qualified…like i went to an extremely compettive high school (wehre i rank top 1 percent)…and 84 kids got into ucla from my school…so ya ive experience cut throat competition but want to know can i survive and truly make it inot meds chool if i apply myself really well? or will i jsut end up being one of the many rejected numbers from a huge campus such as LA? thanks…</p>