<p>and they are filing a lawsuit against you for your post. lol</p>
<p>^Hahaha, props for that one.</p>
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<p>This is prejudice, ignorance, and stupidity at its finest. So basically, you’re saying that diligence is “instilled” in Whites and Asians at birth, while Latinos and African Americans are intrinsically incapable of being on par with them, or perhaps even going further than them? Its an attitude like that which crippled American society with hatred half a century ago. No race is born smarter than another. Now, some people, regardless of race, may have been born in far less fortunate circumstances and thus have limited educational opportunites which subsequently leads to poor performance in school. And if those same people who are in gangs, etc. had been born into relative affluence or had caring parents, there is a 99% probability they wouldn’t have turned out that way. We are all a product of the circumstances surrounding our lives, but our race has absolutely nothing to do with that. The fact that you’re correlating intelligence and diligence with race is truly ridiculous to me. And I’m pretty sure I’m not alone with that stance.</p>
<p>First of all I never said that AAs and LAs don’t have diligence and strive success, it is just that it was not instilled in us as much as the other races, and if you believe it to be ignorance, prejudice, and stupidity then believe what you want;everyone is entitled to that, but I know what I mean when posted that statement, and I said hardworking in EDUCATION! Not the real world, so skew them as you may, I knew what I meant.</p>
<p>I never even stated that asians and whites were smarter, or borned as better, you people are the ones exaggerating my post, and I am an african american for your information, so get off my a##!!</p>
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<p>You stated that AA’s are not as driven as Whites and Asians. The problem is that you cannot make an assumption that huge: there are talented and hardworking people of all races, just as there are shallow and lazy people among all races. Intelligence, motivation, and the willingness to work hard are a product of several things: parents’ education level, stability in the home, how one was raised, and so on. One’s race has absolutely no impact on how hard you work.</p>
<p>At my high school, there are smart, hardworking African-Americans, Latinos, Whites, and Asians. There are also lazy, shallow African-Americans, Latinos, Whites, and Asians. The fact that you’re basing your claim off the mere label of race isn’t fair: you of all people should know that, since you’re also a minority.</p>
<p>^For that large assumption that I made I am sorry, and I understand where I had went wrong in my original post, thank you for being understanding and not like the other posters. I meant it in a way as to say that not many minorities seem to strive for success as compared to others, in doing this I made a large assumption that turned out wrong, sorry for my mistake.</p>
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<p>Were you that desperate to start an argument?</p>
<p>I don’t care what apologies you wrote after this. The statement I quoted is total ****.</p>
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<p>So? That doesn’t mean jack squat. Your race in no way disqualifies you from exhibiting ignorant, discriminatory views.</p>
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<p>I’m glad to see that decrescendo addressed this point.</p>
<p>At any rate, perhaps you’re simply terribly misinformed and feel okay expounding these ignorant, narrow-minded views online. Thank goodness you’ve been corrected. A tip: don’t ever say what you’ve posted above in public.</p>
<p>Actually if you take a proportion, there are probably more ‘hardworking’ AA than Asians or Whites. Not that it’s very relevant or anything.</p>
<p>I’m glad you came to your senses. I was surprised that an African American said that, I thought you were White or Asian lol. :P</p>
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<p>I agree completely. African Americans, Native Americans, Hispanics are typically subjected to more economic hardship, danger, and poor education than other races/ethnicities. This is not an absolute, however, like I mentioned earlier.</p>
<p>That’s a very good way to look at it. Maybe in a generation or two we’ll be able to step away from AA, but for now I guess it should stay.</p>
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<p>I will freely admit that my reaction was one of unbridled ire.</p>
<p>Let me extricate myself from this discussion.</p>
<p><em>removes self</em></p>
<p>There. Done. :)</p>
<p>Re 321</p>
<p>My main beef is with the notion that affirmative action somehow acts as a “welcoming” signal to “underrepresented” minorities, that if you take it away, it’s the equivalent of hanging a “GO HOME [insert racist slur here]” sign </p>
<p>^How chivalrous of you. 
lolz</p>
<p>Affirmation Action is just a extremely poorly done ‘modifier’.</p>
<p>Example:</p>
<p>White person (GPA 4.0, SAT 2400, Good EC)
Black person (GPA 3.9, SAT 2300, Good EC)</p>
<p>The only difference between the two is GPA and SAT scores. Yet, in the eyes of admissions, the black person is way above the white person. Why? Well there are alot of reasons, but I would say the main one is because simply that ‘older’ black people on average would make much less than ‘older’ white people (last generation). Because of this, the white person would have much more resources than the black people. </p>
<p>However, considering the black person nearly matched the white person despite having so and so less resources is impressive. Admissions don’t know just how much less resources the black person does, but they use some kind of methodology to come to the conclusion that the black person will get into (using Harvard as an example) Harvard, meanwhile the white person will be denied and will get accepted to MIT, instead. </p>
<p>To summarize, the Affirmative Action has nothing to do with race, but rather circumstance. It just so happens to be that race and ‘circumstance’ correlate highly when it comes to socioeconomic factors. The end. </p>
<p>Sidenote: This ‘circumstance’ issue can further be seen when you talk about Asians in regards to affirmative action. The ‘circumstance’ for asians is that they happen to be “more hardworking” which effectively negates any of their “oh-boo hoo i’m poor and dumb” benefits unfortunately for them. Add to the fact that asians in many cases do quite well compared to Mexicans and African Americans and you quickly see why Affirmative Action not only is a negative effect, but is one moreso even compared to White people.</p>
<p>This is the shortest race discussion I have ever had. Props to us!! Reason #67 why Yale is AWESOME!</p>
<p>Okay, I don’t know what to put on my college applications… And to be perfectly honest, I want to put whatever will give me a better chance…</p>
<p>So, my paternal grandmother was adopted, closed adoption. My paternal grandfather is also completely unknown. So one whole side of my ethnicity is a big unknown. Now, my father is Jewish as was the family that his mother was adopted into. Most people view Judaism as just a religion, but my dad’s family also considers it a type of ethnicity (not sure how this works). My mother is full-blooded German, and I, myself, was born there.</p>
<p>My dad, to be frank, looks somewhat hispanic. One of the men that my grandmother thinks could have been his father was Spanish.</p>
<p>So, basically, what on earth should I put? Can i put down anything I want since the situation is so unclear? And honestly, what would help me out the most anyway? Or does it not matter?</p>
<p>Put whatever you have identified with/as, for the last seventeen years. You should check out Judaism if you haven’t. Good stuff.</p>
<p>Well I haven’t really identified with anything… I keep switching. I used to check hispanic for fun, then I started putting ‘other’ a lot. Yeah, it was alright stuff, but too strict for me. Good food though.</p>
<p>I just don’t want to put something like hispanic and then the college says I’m lying.</p>
<p>The way I see it, the majority of people on CC who are upset about the advantages of being an underrepresented minority are either white or an overrepresented minority, such as an East or South Asian. Can we concur that this is at least somewhat correct?</p>
<p>That being said, I come to my next point: while underrepresented minorities such as African Americans and Hispanic have faced and continue to experience social prejudice and other factors that set back a decent portion of their populations, let’s not forget what Asians and American-born Asians have had to deal with. </p>
<p>Many of the Asian Americans in this country are a product of parents/grandparents who had to flee Communist China with virtually nothing, especially if they were in the upper income bracket. Whether or not they arrived to America directly after fleeing China is negligible, but it brings across the fact that they have had a rough journey prior to assimilating to American life. </p>
<p>Also, need I remind you that we actually barred Asians from entering our country? We relied on them for manual labor and when we were done exhausting our resources, we simply cast them aside and refused to let them in because they were undesirable and would taint the gilded American Dream.</p>
<p>Asians have been known for generations as a model minority. They are perceived as humble and meek and take whatever sh-t is thrown at them. Not too many people know the story of Vincent Chin. Google it. It’s rather disturbing. And yet we ALL know the Rodney King story. We all know how bad slavery was for the African-American population, yet we can’t fathom the aspect that we may have had a negative impact on the Chinese and other Eastern Asian countries inadvertently throughout history. Although Asians have never been ‘enslaved’ by America (although they essentially were, but not on the same scale) they have went through just as much and possibly even more crap compared to the likes of their darker skinned brethren by other countries around the world.</p>
<p>And hopefully this last message hits home: that Asian Americans have never had a civil rights movement to the scale of those of African Americans or women is remarkably upsetting. </p>
<p>Asian Americans are not as poor as African Americans, Hispanics, or Native Americans because they care about education. They care about improving not only their lives, but those of their parents, grandparents, and future children, as well as grandchildren. They plan and are respectful and are determined to improve their situation; after all, why do you think so many Asians come to America to learn and to spread their ideas and knowledge? BECAUSE THEY CARE ABOUT GETTING EDUCATION. THEY CARE ABOUT IMPROVING SOCIETY. THEY CARE ABOUT HAVING A HEALTHY FAMILY. I believe that these things are what colleges should try to promote, regardless of what ethnicity or race some applicant is. Diverse community? B-tch please. I see top schools taking rich Black/Hispanic kids who have just as much diversity as a Wonderbread sandwich. You want diversity? Stop assuming everyone in a f-cking ethnic group is the same. Because they’re not. Don’t assume that all Asians are hard-working, smart, nerdy, anti-social losers who only exist to be the model minority you love to belittle and hide away in your seclusive sweatshops. Instead, view society as a hodgepodge of people, separated by qualities, traits, and personalities, and not race, societal status, or wealth.</p>
<p>How many Asian actors/actresses do you see on American TV? The last time I recalled there was a token black on American Idol, and not a token Asian. I don’t even think there is a token asian. Case in point. F-ck Affirmative Action. F-ck it in the a-ss.</p>