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<p>My point exactly. There is no institute of higher education in the United States where “everyone” is “white and Asian.” The UCs are diverse; they simply lack the “right” kind of diversity for some, and that is fine.</p>
<p>As an Egyptian, how exactly would my ethnicity fit? It lies in Africa but it’s also considered part of the Middle East.</p>
<p>Caucasian.</p>
<p>I hate questions like this:</p>
<p>“Pick one:
Hispanic
White (not of Hispanic decent)
Black (not of Hispanic decent)
Native American
East Islander”</p>
<p>I happen to be black and Hispanic.</p>
<p>I’m not sure where to post this exactly, so I’ll do it here for the purposes of discussion. I posted it in another thread discussing UCs and Palos Verdes, but it really fits here better:</p>
<p>In the class of 2007, exactly 12 students from Loyola High School in LA were admitted into HYPSM + other 5 Ivies, and 11 of the 12 were URM-Hispanic, including our fine Mayor’s son. None of the 11 were in the top 10 students in ranking I am told. So, none of the top 10 students (Val, Sal, on down to #10) were admitted into HYPSM+other 5 Ivies, and none were URM. Is there a correlation?</p>
<p>People who observed this just shook their heads.</p>
<p>Okay, so maybe I have been misinformed, but everyone seems to always talk about how being a minority can help you out in the admissions process and that minorities generally are accepted with slightly lower test scores and GPA’s then the rest of the admitted population. Is this true? I thought that it was against the law to base an admissions decision on quotas like this, or maybe I’m mixing this up with something else? I’d really like to know if minorities do get advantage because if so I am half Hispanic and applying to pretty prestigious schools so I was wondering if it really matters for those schools, and if it means I have a better chance of getting in?</p>
<p>Oh, and also, does the definition of minority change from college to college? Or do some minorities get better props than others?</p>
<p>Short Answer: Yes</p>
<p>what’s the long answer? i have the same situation</p>
<p>I know this is a lot to ask for, so answering any or all of these questions would be greatly appreciated!</p>
<p>Colleges want to keep diversity emanating from their campuses. In their attempt to pick multifarious applicants, they may end up giving minority populations more mathematical chances of acceptance.</p>
<p>I can’t tell about the legislation for I am not an US-citizen.</p>
<p>Publics are prohibited from giving preferential treatment. Privates have no injunction and can admit whomever they view will advance their institutional goals.</p>
<p>Colleges can’t legally use quotas for admissions, but they are allowed to use race as an admissions factor. This is why, on average, URMs (under-represented minorities like African Americans, Hispanics, or Native Americans) admitted to top schools have lower test scores and grades than their white or ORM (over-represented minorities like Asians) counterparts. As the admissions pool becomes more and more competitive, it’s becoming less likely that unqualified URMs will be admitted to top schools–the competition is stiff all around. But at the same time, a more selective pool means that adcoms are starting to split hairs, and a URM boost can push a qualified but not exceptional candidate into the accept pile.</p>
<p>Thanks for the info! I only say this because I feel I fit that category of qualified, but not completely blow-out amazing. I mean I think I have some uncommon ECs (Senate Page, President and Founder of Disney Club, to name a few, there’s many more but those are the most uncommon lol), but I have a 3.84 UW GPA, 4.64 W GPA, 10 AP classes total, 2080 SAT, and 31 ACT. I’m kind of borderline for a lot of these colleges so I’m just looking for whatever extra bonus I can get lol.</p>
<p>Yes. </p>
<p>As to quantifying the advantage, I’ve read in a few places something like this:</p>
<p>African American Male: add 250 SAT and .3 GPA
African American Female: add 200 SAT and .25 GPA
Native American: same as AA Female
Hispanic: add 150 SAT and .2 GPA</p>
<p>you can sometimes get a sense of this from looking at outliers on scattergrams from collegedata.com, in the Admissions Tracker section.</p>
<p>This will answer your question. Top universities are similar.</p>
<p>[The</a> High-Ranking Liberal Arts Colleges Where Black Students Stand the Best Chance of Admission](<a href=“http://www.jbhe.com/news_views/47_black-admissions_colleges.html]The”>The High-Ranking Liberal Arts Colleges Where Black Students Stand the Best Chance of Admission)</p>
<p>Most people don’t know or don’t want to admit to the true advantages given by AA though an even bigger advantage is given to recruited athletes.</p>
<p>^True. The fact that URMs have higher chances echoes some deep concepts of capitalism and globalization, but in the end I believe it to be a smart policy.</p>
<p>Depends on your perspective. Everyone wants poor underpriviledged students helped, but many of the URM’s are the children of highly educated doctors, lawyers etc. or are URM only in name(1/4,1/8th). The gaming that goes on is crazy and everyone knows the colleges don’t check.</p>
<p>SAY: re your post #11, I’m trying to think of circumstances that may lead to those seemingly inflated numbers. Is it possible that only the highest statted black applicants are encouraged to apply to prestigious LACs like Middlebury, etc., whereas non URM applicants are encouraged regardless of stats?</p>
<p>I write this because I was assuming that at most, the URM hook approximately doubled the chances for admittance for a URM in comparison to a non-URM of similar stats/ECs/recommendations. Yet these data suggest the African American URM hook approximately triples the chances vs. the general applicant pool at a few of the northeastern elite LACs.</p>
<p>I guess what I’m asking is whether there might be a way to normalize these admissions data BY STATS of the applicant.</p>
<p>On a separate issue, I don’t think these stats for northeastern elite LACS will translate well to USNWR top 10, or 20, or 30. I don’t believe we’ll find any of these highly ranked National Unis with the AA admission rate approx. triple the non-URM admission rate as we do with Middlebury and a few others.</p>