<p>“Singaporeans are representative of all Asians, trufax.”
LOL very funny</p>
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<p>Let’s add another success story: that of Barack Obama. I won’t recount it for you: I’m sure everyone knows it well enough.</p>
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<p>I was merely offering you a simplistic line of reasoning that Joe the Plumber or your typical bleeding-heart liberal might take. You telling me that I “fail” and that Sotomayor has always been a failure doesn’t change the fact that there is going to be a female Latina on the United States Supreme Court. The bleeding heart liberals are going to rub that in your face, and you’re not going to win the argument simply by telling them they “fail.”</p>
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<p>This is a very good question, because family names are NOT a sure sign of “race” or ethnicity (the Census Bureau has studied this issue), and anyway [great</a> colleges admit thousands of students who are reported to the federal government as “race/ethnicity unknown.”](<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/1062865329-post4.html]great”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/1062865329-post4.html) If you don’t think the categories make sense, don’t squeeze yourself into any of them. If there is something interesting about your background, whatever it is, that would make you an addition to diverse, interesting class, tell the admission committee about it somewhere in your application. </p>
<p>Good luck to all of you applying this year.</p>
<p>Well, race/ethnicity questions are optional in Common app and “No information you provide will be used in a discriminatory manner.” But Citizenship questions are mandatory and may be used “in a discriminatory manner”. So that most of recent immigrants whose status is yet permanent resident can be somewhat identifiable in ethnicity.
What is the definition of “discriminatory manner” anyway?</p>
<p>Some colleges have a policy of only admitting citizens or permanent residents, and this policy is legal. That’s what it means.</p>
<p>Yes.
I should have written “Non US Citizens” including permanent residents and others.
In my understanding, permanent residents might be “discriminated” against US citizens because of their nationality in some ways although I have never seen such statements in college admission guides.</p>
<p>Sorry if this was already brought up, but what are peoples opinions on the leverage of being a Native American?</p>
<p>Asians are more discriminated against. So that means even you don’t check the box you have a good chance of being thought to be “white”; it gives you some edge than being Asian
Native American is the same with Hispanic or Black, minority</p>
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<p>Wow, what a scientific statement. Here is who is “discriminated against” (i.e., has less chance of being accepted, statistically): anyone who is applying to particular schools with particular similar academic profiles (not racial profiles) and similar academic goals. A non-Hispanic Caucasian applying from TJHSST (along with the 60 other Asian and Caucasian students who apply) to HYP in engineering probably has less chance, statistically, of being accepted than an Asian artist, linguist, or classicist to HYP – from that high school or from any high school.</p>
<p>Earlier on this thread it was admitted that engineering is a favorite major/career goal of a large segment of Asian students. With the exception of MIT and CalTech (since those are more narrow in their academic focus), the Elites have only so many seats for engineering students, and for science and math students collectively. They simply need to fill their other departments as well. A student who has shown a clear interest in that career goal is less likely to be admitted to an Elite from the aspect of numbers alone. If you overload a school’s applicant pool with high numbers, there will be high numbers of rejections. If applications disproportionately represent one ethnic/national or racial category overwhelmingly, there will definitely be high numbers of qualified applicants rejected from that group.</p>
<p>Native Americans are favored over Hispanics and Blacks because of their tiny numbers in the application pool. They are not “the same.”</p>
<p>its clear that Asians get hit the hardest from AA.
its just not fair, but i think eventually it will get better once asians become more accepted by others</p>
<p>epiphany, I think your hypothesis that dis-proportionality of major intentions among students results in apparent difference in scores among race/ethnicity categories might not be wrong.
But how do you think adcom determine applicants intention while many applicants check “undecided” or multiple majors?
This is not HYP level thing but looking at admission statistics among colleges in CMU, I can’t see a big difference in Humanity side and Science/Engineering side.</p>
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<p>Fair question. They look at what the student has taken in high school (e.g., coursework loaded with AP/Honors math/science courses), combined with the student’s similar interest in outside coursework, outside contest opportunities, clubs, competitions reflecting such an interest (such as Robotics contests and the like, project opportunities, research projects), summer workshops reflecting those interests, etc. It’s hard to view such a student as someone who is likely an anthropology major or a Romance languages major.</p>
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Fiddlin, are you saying that there is a disproportionately high rate of rejection of Asian declared (or apparent) humanities majors – vs. all other ethnic groups, at CMU? Or are you just assuming that (when you say “I can’t see a big difference”)? </p>
<p>The bottom line on the whole “Asian discrimination” hypothesis is that the full data is not there, and never will be. Because of privacy rights, no college is going to say “X number of [fill in the blank ethnicity] applied to humanities majors; X number were accepted, with these scores & grades; X number of that same ethnic group were rejected, & here are their scores.” You need all the data to make accurate conclusions. For every Asian reject, others can find plenty of Caucasian rejects to the same school, same major. But you will definitely (again) find high numbers of rejections when there are disproportionate applicant numbers relative to all applications combined. Anecdotes do not prove discrimination.</p>
<p>Here’s a good book </p>
<p>[What</a> Is Intelligence? - Cambridge University Press](<a href=“http://www.cup.cam.ac.uk/us/catalogue/catalogue.asp?isbn=9780521880077]What”>http://www.cup.cam.ac.uk/us/catalogue/catalogue.asp?isbn=9780521880077) </p>
<p>[Amazon.com:</a> What Is Intelligence?: Beyond the Flynn Effect (9780521741477): James R. Flynn: Books](<a href=“http://www.amazon.com/What-Intelligence-Beyond-Flynn-Effect/dp/0521741475/]Amazon.com:”>http://www.amazon.com/What-Intelligence-Beyond-Flynn-Effect/dp/0521741475/) </p>
<p>Much of the content of the book is summarized in a very interesting online lecture transcript </p>
<p>[Beyond</a> the Flynn Effect, a lecture by Professor James Flynn](<a href=“http://www.psychometrics.sps.cam.ac.uk/page/109/beyond-the-flynn-effect.htm]Beyond”>http://www.psychometrics.sps.cam.ac.uk/page/109/beyond-the-flynn-effect.htm) </p>
<p>that I urge all participants here who have mentioned the issue to read.</p>
<p>I was wondering if I would be considered a under-represented minority, and therefore be eligible for a hefty admissions boost. One side of my family originates from South America (my dad was born there), but I look white, my name is Anglo-sounding, and I don’t speak the language fluently (although I can understand and speak fairly well in my home with dad and grandmother). Do you think this will give me a significant boost on my applications, or will colleges look down upon this (in interviews, etc.) when they see that I’m not a minority from a racial standpoint?</p>
<p>Hispanic isn’t a race, so it doesn’t matter what you look like. If you identify as hispanic, put that down on your applications.</p>
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<p>Beijing Northerners are even more kiasu than us. (trufax)</p>
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<p>Kiasuism is what made us an Asian tiger. :)</p>
<p>yea I know, but do you think I would get a boost as a URM, like if I were African-American?</p>
<p>Again, if you identify as hispanic, put that down. Students who are hispanic receive a boost in admissions, so yes, you could receive one.</p>
<p>ok thank you</p>