<p>People seem to forget that a lot of these URMs are qualified which is why they end up in HYP, etc</p>
<p>I know a URM who got into Harvard, yes his GPA was a 3.7, but he was also USAMO</p>
<p>there are other things that URMs have that help them get into colleges (primarily athletics)</p>
<p>way to state the obvious lol</p>
<p>Wow, umm you are completely wrong. URMs that are admitted into HYPSM normally are no where near as qualified as their much more academically gifted asian and white counterparts. You say you know a URM who had a subpar GPA and was USAMO…well first that is just one person and two you neglected to mention what his test scores and ECs were. Almost all whites or asians with a 2100 or lower on the SAT would be disqualified from HYPSM whereas a 2100 would probably be in like the 90 percentile of admitted URMs. </p>
<p>Now, are the admitted URMs qualified for HYPSM? Well, I would bet that most are. HOWEVER, the overwhelming majority of URMs are no where near as qualified as the asians and whites that apply. Additionally, I still find it comical that a NA was admitted to SAT with a 1700. People like him probably are not qualified nor do they deserve to go to HYPSM.</p>
<p>Affirmative action is essentially reverse racism. The most brilliant applicants should be accepted and just because most of the intelligent people in society are white or asian does not warrant this type of racism that disgusts me.</p>
<p>i know someone at harvard who says that even the blacks/hispanics there are all smart</p>
<p>it’s not that they would be unqualified had they been white/asian</p>
<p>Okay, so about 90% of each applicant pool for HYPSM is “smart”. @spectravoid, that doesn’t say much…</p>
<p>I like to think of it as this: the URMs there are smart, but if u are a smart non-URM with solid ecs, decent essays, leadership, stuff like MIT, Harvard are still reaches. Not so for URMs. I know an asian with usamo qualifications that did not make mit. an african american from the same school had a 2000 something SAT, no hooks. Just solid ECs like thousands of others who get rejected. And he got into harvard, MIT</p>
<p>Every URM at my school is qualified to be there and I’m sure this is the same at the other top schools. In fact, many of them deserve to be there more than the developmental uber legacy kids. almost URM i know, graduated either val, sal or at least in the top 10% of their class. What bugs me most about arguments against AA is that people don’t know what they’re talking about. No one is admitting unqualified candidates. If admission was based soley on grades and scores, the class wouldn’t be very diverse or interesting, would it? The most brilliant people I know had pretty average (CC average, at least) standardized test scores and they are very successful in their classes. Admissions isn’t about rounding up the smartest kids in the country, it’s about building a class who will learn from each other’s experiences and opinions.</p>
<p>Yeah Rtgrove you are an idiot. I was a very qualified URM (black) and got rejected from Princeton and Harvard. In fact I would wager all the people who decry the minorities at these schools are just bitter or racist or both.</p>
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<p>It seems like the only people who really complain are those who didn’t get in. I have interacted with alot of other Yalies and students who got accepted to multiple top schools and I have never once been questioned about the validity of my acceptance to Yale, it was always the kids who get rejected who complain about AA.</p>
<p>yeah AA fight!!!</p>
<p>BTW sgtpepper hit the nail on the head with that post!</p>
<p>every qualified URM i know got into CHYMPS. Every single one. That is not so for non URMS.</p>
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<p>No university posts admissions data by race (as far as I know). Some admit rates by race are available, however, and often the admit rates for URMs at top universities are at or below the overall admit rates. I listed a handful of examples below.</p>
<p>University, Overall admit rate, URM admit rate</p>
<p>USC 21.9% 16.6%
Johns Hopkins 25.3% 28%
Emory 26.6% 17.3%
UNC 34% 32.7%
Cornell 20.7% 21.1%
Wake Forest 38.4% 25.8%</p>
<p>Source: JBHE</p>
<p>I sense that most cc’ers don’t think of school fit as a factor in admissions. Perhaps some of the very qualified people don’t fit in with the school’s personality; perhaps the adcoms sense that some of these kids are applying just because of the prestige. I’m sure this is just speculation, because after all, if you have the #s, no one has a right to deny a spot based on their years of experience with the school.</p>
<p>Isn’t there a larger thread for this?</p>
<p>Well anyway, here are my two cents. What sgtpepper08 and Dbate said is all good and all, but can anyone deny the negative impact of race on Asian applicants? It’s that simple. Why should race be a factor in admissions at all? Moreover, why should race hinder you when you are obviously qualified?</p>
<p>Playing the diversity card implies that all Asians are reserved, grade-grubbing, overachieving, tennis-playing mathletes. Yes, this is true for a lot of Asians, but by no means does it apply to everyone. Diversity should not be based on race – but rather on personality and interests.</p>
<p>To that end, I would view AA as a flawed system that uses race against very qualified applicants.</p>
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<p>Here’s the full list:</p>
<p>[The</a> State of Black Student Freshman Enrollments at the Nation’s Highest-Ranked Colleges and Universities](<a href=“http://www.jbhe.com/features/61_enrollments.html]The”>The State of Black Student Freshman Enrollments at the Nation’s Highest-Ranked Colleges and Universities)</p>
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<p>I myself am disappointed at how often this is true. And it’s not necessarily a bad thing! It’s just that when so many kids are so much alike, it seems obvious that they’re not living their own lives, but rather someone else’s idea of life.</p>
<p>And, of course, this is true whenever a large number of people fit any stereotype.</p>
<p>Being Asian is not necessarily a bad thing, you just have to be different. Of the asians in my school, the ones that get accepted to top schools are the ones that pick untraditional majors (for asians) like law, literature, and anything unrelated to science/math. Of course some students are admitted for science, but over the past few years the asians that were admitted to HYPS were unique and had unique majors… I’m not saying that you should choose a major you hate, just experiment with different subjects.</p>
<p>lol, I must be an auto-admit now. Well, I can stop worrying.</p>
<p>I know technically only URM’s (under-represented minorities) are the ones that get benefits in admissions to top colleges.</p>
<p>However, for their possible “exoticness”, do Persian-Americans get a possible hook in the admissions game? What about Middle Easterners in general?</p>
<p>On one hand, they shouldn’t, because they aren’t exactly plagued by a racist history and they usually fare well educationally and economically.</p>
<p>On the other hand, they ARE a minority, there aren’t very many of them that are extremely successful like Asians, and they actually HAVE had some racism inflicted upon them since 9/11.</p>
<p>Thoughts?</p>
<p>I think people of arabic descent are considered caucasian or asian.</p>