<p>Yeah sorry to say but once you’re talking college, Asians are considered ORM, not URM.</p>
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<p>I suppose you are asking about CC’s forum structure. There is perpetual demand for new subforums, and then a perpetual problem of moderators having to move threads out of general forums into the subforums where those threads more properly belong. Any topic might warrant its own subforum IF and only if </p>
<p>1) there really are a lot of participants who would like to discuss that topic, </p>
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<p>2) those participants pitch in and help make the discussion more active and interesting for new participants. </p>
<p>Issues like this probably really belong on the Community and Forum Issues Forum </p>
<p>[Community</a> & Forum Issues - College Discussion](<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/community-forum-issues/]Community”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/community-forum-issues/) </p>
<p>rather than on this College Admissions Forum, but for the moment I merged the thread into the existing FAQ thread on ethnic issues in college admission, in case the discussion veers from forum policy to public policy.</p>
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<p>Asians make up, what? 15% in non-Californian top colleges. At the most. How is that a minority? Or are blacks overall not a minority in the US anymore?</p>
<p>Considering that probably 80% of the nation’s colleges are “easy” to get into (i.e. +75% acceptance rate), if what you say is true, then the huge majority of college students are hispanic or african americans. Yeah right.</p>
<p>Your reasoning is so flawed it’s frankly beyond comment.</p>
<p>you aren’t going to find ANY college where hispanic or black (unless it’s a black only school :p) are the predominent race. </p>
<p>But if you just want more race interaction</p>
<p>Pitzer
Rice
CMC
Yale
Brown
beloit
university of miami
Frank Olin
Stanford</p>
<p>Poseidenj, your kidding right?</p>
<p>Look at CUNY Medgar Evans. 88% black, 6% hispanic, 1% white and asian</p>
<p>[College</a> Search - City University of New York: Medgar Evers College - MEC - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board)</p>
<p>Look at Mercy College. 33% hispanic, 28% black, 25% white, and 2% asian!!!</p>
<p>[College</a> Search - Mercy College - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board)</p>
<p>Look at CUNY Lehman. 58% hispanic, 25% black, 7% asian, 6% white</p>
<p>And all those three schools are located in NY.</p>
<p>Obviously Asians aren’t a majority of students at elite colleges. However, it is unquestionable that they are vastly overrepresented in said colleges compared to the size of the U.S.'s Asian population.</p>
<p>Since we seem to be on a roll here owning poseidenj,</p>
<p>why would you even suggest Stanford and Yale to someone with a 2.0 GPA</p>
<p>Well that was epic fail on my part. I did not see the GPA either :p</p>
<p>And wow, I did not know there were any schools were whites weren’t the majority.</p>
<p>^Half the UCs…</p>
<p>^yep…</p>
<p>anyway, OP, 30% hispanic/black is not that high. look at the demographics of the country…</p>
<p>I am born in American but my parents were born in Pakistan…I was wondering what I should put down on the common app for my Demographics?..I’m sure its either white(because it says middle eastern) or its Asian…but i am kind of afraid to put Asian only because I heard Asians have a less chance of being accepted at the ivys…I am pretty sure that refers to Koreans, Chinese,etc that have the less chance but if someone knows for sure please let me know!..Thanks!</p>
<p>I don’t think it’s a mathematical issue (the percentage of Asians in top schools exceeds the group’s proportional representation in the nation, so Asians don’t count for AA). AA wouldn’t stop for African Americans or Hispanics if suddenly the same were true for those groups. I think the reason Asians don’t count in AA is because schools see most Asians as being identical – math/science nerds who play the violin/piano, had 400 EC hours in Key Club, want to be a doctor, and once on campus are relatively silent and invisible. They don’t see the value of having more Asians on campus since the marginal utility of admitting one more is almost zero. Like any stereotype, this one is largely true (I am Asian and most of my college-bound friends appear very much alike on paper; me, too). Perhaps the long-term answer is for us Asians to quit pursuing the same things in high school. We can still be great students, but maybe some of us should play football or wrestle, and then some of us should do cheer, and then some of us should play the electric guitar in a garage band, then some of us should organize a campus protest or otherwise be socially active, then some of us could do creative things like acting, writing, etc. Maybe if we were less alike on paper, we’d be more attractive to top schools. If we were honest with ourselves, we’d admit that it’s pretty crazy that so many of us pursue the exact same path. Just a thought.</p>
<p>Its definitely not asian.</p>
<p>P.S. Its hilarious how people unashamedly try to use their race to increase their admission chances.</p>
<p>I would put white, just because you definitely don’t want to put asian.</p>
<p>If this is a real question (“I am born in American”–???):</p>
<p>Do you have any of the following: blond hair, blue eyes, freckles, pale skin that sunburns easily, ancestors that came on the mayflower, mother with membership in DAR</p>
<p>Is your last name, Johnson or Johanson, Smith or Smyth, or some such name with at least 5 listings in the Fort Wayne, IN phone book</p>
<p>Are your parents hard to find in a mall because they blend in so well?</p>
<p>then you’re white. Otherwise, my guess is that between your parents name, place of birth, and your last name, it will be pretty clear that you are not of the western european heritage. I’m speaking as a real ‘asian.’</p>
<p>I’d like to ask a serious question, because there have been several replies in this thread that refer to “underrepresented” groups without explaining how “underrepresentation” is demonstrated. </p>
<p>If a medium-size privately operated national research university takes applicants from all over the country, and indeed all over the world, but has a plurality of its applicants living within 500 miles of the university (a fairly common pattern), should the university </p>
<p>a) balance “representation” by the world population of all college-age young people? </p>
<p>b) balance “representation” by the national population of all college-age young people? </p>
<p>c) balance “representation” by the regional population–within a specified distance from the college–of all college-age young people? </p>
<p>d) balance “representation” by the world population of all college-age young people who have completed secondary education? </p>
<p>e) balance “representation” by the national population of all college-age young people who have completed secondary education? </p>
<p>f) balance “representation” by the regional population of all college-age young people who have completed secondary education? </p>
<p>g) balance “representation” by the world population of all college-age young people who are as academically qualified–determined by that college’s rules–as the least qualified admitted students from the year before? </p>
<p>h) balance “representation” by the national population of all college-age young people who are as academically qualified–determined by that college’s rules–as the least qualified admitted students from the year before? </p>
<p>i) balance “representation” by the regional population of all college-age young people who are as academically qualified–determined by that college’s rules–as the least qualified admitted students from the year before? </p>
<p>j) balance “representation” by the actual group composition of that college’s applicant pool that year? </p>
<p>k) simply admit students based on the college’s judgment of academic qualifications, as long as its admission procedures admit some representatives of every major ethnic group officially recognized in the United States? </p>
<p>There are quite a few possible standards here, with different possible results, and it’s not usually clear to me which standard participants in the discussion are appealing to when they call one group or another “underrepresented.” Underrepresented by how much? Which students actually apply to which colleges?</p>
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<p>You are Asian by the federal definitions. </p>
<p>[Black</a> or African American persons, percent, 2000](<a href=“http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/meta/long_68176.htm]Black”>http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/meta/long_68176.htm) </p>
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<p>Good luck in your applications. </p>
<p>Of course you and all other applicants have the right under federal law to not mark any ethnicity, if you so choose.</p>
<p>[The</a> Ayn Rand Institute: Diversity and Multiculturalism: The New Racism](<a href=“http://www.aynrand.org/site/PageServer?pagename=objectivism_diversity]The”>http://www.aynrand.org/site/PageServer?pagename=objectivism_diversity)</p>
<p>By Michael S. Berliner, Ph.D., and Gary Hull, Ph.D.</p>
<p>Is ethnic diversity an “absolute essential” of a college education? UCLA’s Chancellor Charles Young thinks so. Ethnic diversity is clearly the purpose of affirmative action, which Young is defending against a long-overdue assault. But far from being essential to a college education, such diversity is a sure road to its destruction. “Ethnic diversity” is merely racism in a politically correct disguise.</p>
<p>Many people have a very superficial view of racism. They see it as merely the belief that one race is superior to another. It is much more than that. It is a fundamental (and fundamentally wrong) view of human nature. Racism is the notion that one’s race determines one’s identity. It is the belief that one’s convictions, values and character are determined not by the judgment of one’s mind but by one’s anatomy or “blood.”</p>
<p>This view causes people to be condemned (or praised) based on their racial membership. In turn, it leads them to condemn or praise others on the same basis. In fact, one can gain an authentic sense of pride only from one’s own achievements, not from inherited characteristics.</p>
<p>The spread of racism requires the destruction of an individual’s confidence in his own mind. Such an individual then anxiously seeks a sense of identity by clinging to some group, abandoning his autonomy and his rights, allowing his ethnic group to tell him what to believe. Because he thinks of himself as a racial entity, he feels “himself” only among others of the same race. He becomes a separatist, choosing his friends—and enemies—based on ethnicity. This separatism has resulted in the spectacle of student-segregated dormitories and segregated graduations.</p>
<p>The diversity movement claims that its goal is to extinguish racism and build tolerance of differences. This is a complete sham. One cannot teach students that their identity is determined by skin color and expect them to become colorblind. One cannot espouse multiculturalism and expect students to see each other as individual human beings. One cannot preach the need for self-esteem while destroying the faculty which makes it possible: reason. One cannot teach collective identity and expect students to have self-esteem.</p>
<p>Advocates of “diversity” are true racists in the basic meaning of that term: they see the world through colored lenses, colored by race and gender. To the multiculturalist, race is what counts—for values, for thinking, for human identity in general. No wonder racism is increasing: colorblindness is now considered evil, if not impossible. No wonder people don’t treat each other as individuals: to the multiculturalist, they aren’t.</p>
<p>Advocates of “diversity” claim it will teach students to tolerate and celebrate their differences. But the “differences” they have in mind are racial differences, which means we’re being urged to glorify race, which means we’re being asked to institutionalize separatism. “Racial identity” erects an unbridgeable gulf between people, as though they were different species, with nothing fundamental in common. If that were true—if “racial identity” determined one’s values and thinking methods—there would be no possibility for understanding or cooperation among people of different races.</p>
<p>Advocates of “diversity” claim that because the real world is diverse, the campus should reflect that fact. But why should a campus population “reflect” the general population (particularly the ethnic population)? No answer. In fact, the purpose of a university is to impart knowledge and develop reasoning, not to be a demographic mirror of society.</p>
<p>Racism, not any meaningful sense of diversity, guides today’s intellectuals. The educationally significant diversity that exists in “the real world” is intellectual diversity, i.e., the diversity of ideas. But such diversity—far from being sought after—is virtually forbidden on campus. The existence of “political correctness” blasts the academics’ pretense at valuing real diversity. What they want is abject conformity.</p>
<p>The only way to eradicate racism on campus is to scrap racist programs and the philosophic ideas that feed racism. Racism will become an ugly memory only when universities teach a valid concept of human nature: one based on the tenets that the individual’s mind is competent, that the human intellect is efficacious, that we possess free will, that individuals are to be judged as individuals—and that deriving one’s identity from one’s race is a corruption—a corruption appropriate to Nazi Germany, not to a nation based on freedom and independence.</p>
<p>Hope Full, maybe we should do a serious survey on characters of “Asian” students. My S falls into your description of Asian stereotype to some extent. He loves Math and violin playing although he doesn’t want to be a doctor. When he was in Japan until 4th grade, he was only one violinist out of class of 120. After he had migrated to US, he found no other “Asian” violinist in his middle school and high school class, too. I don’t think Asian students EC is typically music is simply wrong. But in the classical music scene, there are many nice “Asian” musicians out there. It only means that “Asian” have relatively large number of nice musicians.
But yes, most of “Asian” students are rather quiet. So are east Europeans. From black & Anglo white standard, Asians are quiet. From Asian standard, …
“Asians” do Math well in US. But look at the world. US is the country of low level secondary school Math. Hard working students including many “Asians” can easily earn good points. As for humanities subjects, they tend to struggle because many “Asian” students are non native speakers of English. This may also apply to Hispanic.
Lastly, I would emphasize that “Asians” are not single. We differ so much in culture and we have so different socioeconomic situations. If the classification of ethnicity goes down to national origin level, you will find other groups as OR.
I don’t think most of “Asians” deserve AA. But they should be treated equally to other non-URMs.</p>