<p>“seta, yes it has EXACTLY everything to do with what we are discussing here. As you researched and applied to Stanford and Harvard, as your favorite schools in the world, you communicated this with your family and friends. So therefore even though they are laymen, they are biased towards Stanford over (Princeton, Yale and MIT) because of what you communicated to them about Stanford…therefore your family and friends in the SF area, by definition, cannot be used as a sample of the typical layman for this discussion.”</p>
<p>JA, your biggest problem is using YOUR OWN assumption and hypothesis to judge other ppl. I can swear to you that, I never discussed about my graduate application with my friends and relatives. why? because they could not provide anything valuable about my major. Even now, my mom only knows Harvard and UMich.(she’s in China)</p>
<p>are you forgetting that it is YOU that claimed S > (Princeton, Yale, MIT) for the average Joe and it is YOU that claimed that one reason is that the average Joe never heardof PYM because all the smart kids at the high school were going to Stanford and not PYM?</p>
<p>Well, here I am showing you that your theory is destroyed here because the amount of kids from California high schools that attend Stanford undergraduate, about 2,800 is NOT significantly greater than the combined for PYM, about 1,800.</p>
<p>Actually JA, i remember you in another thread and it was pretty obvious that although you went to stanford for grad school, you favored princeton.</p>
<p>Also, if you actually read what I said, I DID INCLUDE LAYMAN PRESTIGE, so I don’t know what you were reading. Also, you call it nonsense? Where in the title of thread does it ever mention that international prestige shouldn’t be included? I guess the layman in other countries aren’t even worthy of being layman by your standards.</p>
<p>Not gonna lie, it wasn’t until I started looking at schools that I realized that Princeton was a top school. Princeton has little to no name recognition in my neck of the woods. As for your cultural reference, I can think of one show that trumps all of those shows/movies…The Simpsons. I remember in one episode Sideshow Bob referred to Princeton, his brother’s alma matter, as a “clown college.” Now being young and having limited exposure to Princeton, I, for a few years, thought that Princeton was just some joke college.</p>
<p>kartrider, I hope you that you are kidding with this International Layman Prestige, right?</p>
<p>because Laymen in other countries, particularly the less developed countries haven’t even heard of Harvard, let alone Stanford or Princeton or Yale or MIT</p>
<p>Also, if you actually read what I said, I DID INCLUDE LAYMAN PRESTIGE, so I don’t know what you were reading. Also, you call it nonsense? Where in the title of thread does it ever mention that international prestige shouldn’t be included? I guess the layman in other countries aren’t even worthy of being layman by your standards. </p>
<p>Where did I ever deny that I included international prestige?
Please by all means help me find it.</p>
<p>firstly, I never said “average Joe never heardof PYM because all the smart kids at the high school were going to Stanford and not PYM?”. And I never used “ALL”, since I kept saying “the majority”.</p>
<p>secondly, I did claim S > YPM, but only in Cali.</p>
<p>thirdly, by saying S > YPM in Cali, I mean S > Y & S > P, & S > M, not S > M+P+Y. So, lumping up the numbers of YPM makes nonsense.</p>
<p>you say that S > (PYM) in California for the average Joe.</p>
<p>I don’t agree with you</p>
<p>but that is why life is so beautiful and exciting eh?</p>
<p>good luck</p>
<p>and by the way, I currently am living in California right now. If I walked into a Target store tomorrow and began asking people about S v. PYM, I guarantee you that most would have heard of SPY and some MIT. For the ones that have heard of all four, most will say M>(P,Y)>S for academic prestige. For the ones that haven’t heard of MIT, most would say (P,Y)>S.</p>
<p>But hey, that is only the opinion of someone that is living in California at the moment and runs into the average joe every single day, as opposed to YOU that goes to school in Michigan and is from a foreign country, and a foreign country, mind you, that would think that Stanford is, by far, more prestigious than PYM.</p>
<p>JA, don’t be serious, this thread is mainly for exchanging ppl’s opinions. I never thought I could change your mind. Also, What you said has no impact to my belief either. But that’s fine, as what you said “that is why life is so beautiful and exciting”.</p>
<p>but seta, I am not trying to change your mind.</p>
<p>I am just stating that you are wrong, particularly because I am here, in California, in touch with the laymen every single day and not in China and not in Michigan.</p>
<p>Listen seta, it is EXACTLY the academic prestige from layman that we are discussing in this thread. So, yes, we are talking about how layman think of academic prestige of PYSM.</p>
<p>Otherwise of the USNWR top 20, Notre Dame would be #1, according to laymen, BY FAR, and no one would even come close.</p>
<p>JA, you still have trouble of reading my post.</p>
<p>By saying “do you really think most of the smart kids in Cali go to HYPM?”, I mean “I DON’T think most of the smart kids in Cali go to HYPM”, which is NOT equal to “all the smart kids from California attend Stanford”. I never said that! That’s your illusion. I still have no idea where the “ALL” comes from.</p>
<p>Also, why do you keep combining the numbers of HYPM? we are talking about the individual combat here. On average, only 650 students from Cali are currently attending one of HYPM. Compared with 2800, it is obvious that, Stanford outnumber any one of HYPM (NOT THE COMBINATION!).</p>
<p>I am tired. What you keep trying to do is changing everyone’s mind on CC to your standard. If so, you should do better than that. Even though HYP are the best in the entire galaxy, it has nothing to do with your life. You are still what you are.</p>
Lol I can understand how you feel as an Emory grad, but its true. Duke is a lot more selective and its peer schools are Brown, Penn, Columbia, and Cornell.
Duke is often cited among the ivies in many college handbooks. In fact, a lot of people accidentally think it is Ivy (and I live in California!).
Rice University is well respected as the university in Texas, but no one’s heard of Emory and Vanderbilt in my area.</p>