Retirement looms...........

@SOSConcern, Thanks for the encouragement.

Define what is considered as being fiscally sound in your opinion. (it is quite subjective here, I know.)

Suppose that SS income for a household is about $2500 a month and no pensions. How large the (pretaxed) nest egg do you think is enough? 500K? 750K? 1 millions? 1.25 millions, or even 1.5 millions? (IN YOUR SUBJECTIVE OPINION, of course.)

How much in the (pretaxed) retirement assets is equivalent to, say, $1000 a month of pensions? Is it about equivalent to (not taxed yet) $200K? $250K?

mcat2- how much in retirement assessments needed for $1000/month depends on how long you live

I will be 56 in November and have told DH that when youngest DS graduates in 4-5 years, I want the option to quit if I want. I don’t know if I will…I just want to know that I can. Who knows what will trigger that decision. I carry the insurance and dental for the family, have my own nice 401K, and only work 30 hours a week (get off at 2:30). I have 29 days of PTO each year, and a month of paid grandfathered STD (new people don’t get that anymore paid). I make a decent salary after almost 28 years…nothing grand, but decent.

So, I don’t have a terrible job, but after all this time…wouldn’t it be nice to not have to go out in the horrid weather, or wake to an alarm clock, or answer to a boss?

What will I do? I don’t know yet, I’m still trying to figure out to do with my 2nd day of an empty nest. Hopefully it will be a gradual thing. I’d like to exercise when I want in the mornings, learn to play golf, do things with friends, volunteer a little…who knows…the possibilities are endless. I will have to keep busy and be around people, though. I like my alone time as much as the next person, but I’m an extrovert and need to be around people to feel energized.

I’ve been semi-retired for over a year an a half. But somehow many of those projects I planned to do just haven’t been done…

Mcat, you’ve asked this question over and over again. Here is one answer from DadIi, 10 million.
But seriously if you can cover expense than you are good. Enjoy your life and not worry too much. My sister had two friends died before getting SS. They were wealthy.

I would not mind to have $10 mln, not at all, I would not mind to have more!
It is depressing to see people here are talking about being 56. This is soooo young, I was looking for yet another job when I was older than that and I happened to find the best job of my life (my current job). My kid was still in HS and not even thinking about colleges yet, my gosh, 56 seems to be ages ago, did not occur to me to have any thoughts of retirement at 56. I did not feel too old before but now I feel as ancient dinosaur even in comparison to people on this thread devoted to retirement…

To answer @mcat2 Two major considerations which can affect level to have in retirement investments. If you do not have LTC insurance policies in place, they are getting way too expensive for the benefits - so I would consider having extra build up of assets in the event that extended care is ever needed by H or W. H and I purchased LTC ins when we were young and healthy - I believe in 2002/2003 time frame - so we were around 45/46.

I had stage III cancer at age 52 - so would never qualify after that for LTC insurance. I laugh when Dave Ramsey says look around for this at age 60, but to qualify and also to have lower rates, that is too late! Also who knows when someone would have a stroke, brain cancer, major accident, etc that could debilitate for LTC ins to kick in. When we purchased our LTC insurance, we bought extremely good policies - we had a 10 year rate guarantee (could have had plan rewritten with 20 year rate guarantee with same company, but at the time I figured it was OK to leave in place - we have just had 3 years of escalating premiums, but then it is level again - they have to go through State Ins Commission to justify/approve the new rates). So we pay premiums, but it is like catastrophic insurance for LTC. May never need to use (that is our hope!) We pay maybe 1/3 of what very limited new policies have now in premiums.

Another major consideration is medical insurance and medical needs (and if you have medical needs of any family members that you are responsible for). H and I are pretty healthy (I am 5 years cancer free now; I would consider H in excellent health). H is working until we both qualify for Medicare. These are also high income years for him, and we are continuing to build up retirement, versus drawing money off. Some people buy medical coverage and retire before 65 - and they must believe they have enough $$ built up and their bases covered to retire. Some may decide to get out of a high stress job and maybe take a small job to pay the extra for insurance. Some people actually are in poor health - how many times do you hear of someone retiring and dying a short time later.

A third area is considering housing and what you have tied up in real estate and maintenance/overall costs. We will have our home paid for (since paying on the last amount which is at 2.5% interest, again we don’t follow Dave Ramsey’s advice because we don’t feel the ‘risk’ in the home mortgage payments). However we want to fix up to sell, and perhaps have a smaller place/lower cost housing in two locations. So we are planning on that. H is very handy so will have projects that he will like.

Another is if you still have kids not fully launched, for whatever reasons. Our kids are 19 and 21, and are successful in college, but still in college. They will be launched for us hopefully and stay in good financial order as adults.

One ‘risk’ we have had is not having a big enough emergency fund. However now that H will be turning 59.5 in Dec, that ‘risk’ has been taken out with age and access to 401k funds and other retirement funds which are very healthy in our case.

I do like Dave Ramsey and Suze Orman. However H and I are older than Dave Ramsey and learned a lot and had things set in place pretty well before listening to him. One kid is very good on being thrifty, the other had Dave’s HS class and has learned from that and our preaching/experiences and how we have things financially set up for them. They will have no student loan debt, nor will we. We paid off H’s relatively small student loans very quickly - like within a year after graduating; two incomes living under one while building up and buying first home early/when young.

I have learned a lot from CC threads, and am reading up on various things for us to think about and set in place so we have a smooth way to transition to retirement.

Something to think about is the income/expense in retirement.

Probably a good idea to get on a written budget now, and plan ahead - what do you want to do in retirement and how will your budget handle?

Too many variables to set a certain $$ amount.

Here’s a part of my bucket list:

First and foremost, travel while we are still able physically; we have lots of places we want to see

God willing, we will be having more weddings and some grands soon, that is my really dearest wish as as currently all three sons live near by; we do look forward to lots of family gatherings

take piano lessons
yoga…absolutely
join the lifelong learning institutes of two local colleges
lunches…old friends
volunteer w/ reading in some way either illiteracy or helping kids
other possible great volunteer opps
re-learn French
make baby quilts
scan in allllllllllllll our old photographs and save electronically
have our old home movies put together into a “collage”
clean out drawers
help more with yard work and house maintenance projects
bowling
senior day trips
a wildflower garden
lots and lots of day trips; I live in a fantastic area for that
boating
grow herbs
raise a lemon tree in our “greenhouse”
join a gym
and as bookmama said, I actually look forward to getting my house in order!

Give up on the lemon tree in the greenhouse, @VaBluebird – our two have caused us nothing but heartache. Actually, they are damned infuriating. The tree does fine all summer outside, but as soon as it comes in, scale insects abound, sticky stuff oozes onto everything, and leaves start curling up and dropping off.

The geranium (and the orchids) are much more gratifying.

I looked at the tree today and wondered, what if we just left it out all winter. I’d feel guilty, but maybe not all that guilty. :wink:

Stock price drops significantly this week.

Do you think it will be a bad new for whom the retirement is looming?

For those with a steady stream of income (pensions, SS, and/or annuity), it does not matter. But for the retirees who need to get money out of their 401K or IRA accounts to cover their living expenses, it may not be a good news if the stock price drops like crazy right before/after they retire.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/08/22/your-money/stocks-and-bonds/advice-after-stock-market-drop-take-some-deep-breaths-and-dont-do-a-thing.html?referrer=

How much exposure to the stock market is “healthy” for a 65 yo who is about to retire? 30% of their retirement nest egg?

Only about 20-25 % of our retirement accounts (all pretaxed) is invested in the stock now (exclusively in US stock market) but we still feel nervous when the stock price drops like this.

@mcat2, you shouldn’t retire. You are too nervous. Work part time. Do something that brings in a little money.

The stock market is very high. So is the bond market.

A healthy exposure to the stock market is the amount where you can still sleep. For some people, that means close to zero exposure to the stock market.

Warren. Buffett says an investor should be able to handle a 50 drop in stock prices. I agree with him.

Now…if you have 20 percent of your net worth invested in stocks and stocks prices drop 50 percent, you have lost 10 percent of your net worth.

If you can’t afford a 10 percent hit in your net worth, you shouldn’t retire.

If you invest in the stock market, expect it to go up and down. At least it was not as bad as 2008-2009 time frame.

^^ absolutely love this

Right now we’re both employed, and I slept last night. If we were both retired, and had the same mix, we would have lost over a year’s worth in 4 days, and wouldn’t have slept.

I’m the one that shouldn’t t sleep well. I’m all in cash cause I’m planning to move to Vanguard. if the market jumps back up. I’m so out of luck. It can go either ways, nobody knows.

Regarding how large the nest egg should be before retirement, I read from somewhere that the income should be 75% of your pre-retirement income.

This hypothetical early to mid-50s couple have a relatively high income ($190,000 pretax) and have “merely” $700,000 saved. They will have a small pension which is 1,132 a month. In this case, the financial guy said that they will need 3 millions saved in their nest egg before they can retire at the age of 65.

Q: I’m married, and we are in our early to mid-50s with just under $700,000 in savings. My husband makes around $55,000 a year, and I make $135,000 a year. We would really like to retire before 65 (our full retirement age for Social Security is 67). I have a pension that will pay out $1,132 a month with a 50% survivor’s benefit for my husband. But we’re not sure whether we can pull it off. I max out my 401(k) but never seem to have any extra money to put into savings. How we can get to where we want to be?
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"First, let’s take a look at where you are now. If you are saving the max amount of $18,000 annually in your 401(k)—not including catch-up contributions, which we’ll get to in a moment—that’s 13% of your salary or 10% of your combined incomes. If you continue saving at that rate and get a 6% annual rate of return, you’d have about $1.1 million in five years at age 60.

That sounds like a tidy sum, but it may not go as far as you think over a long retirement. Let’s assume you want to replace 75% of your pre-retirement income, which would come to $140,000. It helps that you have a pension that will give you $13,000 a year. And there’s also Social Security—the average annual benefit for a couple who claim at full retirement age is $25,000 a year. But to provide an additional $100,000 in annual income, you will need to save at least $3 million. Assuming a 3.5% withdrawal rate, that portfolio would likely last you until age 95, or 35 years."

It’s a hypothetical question, why does one need 75% of pretax income. I mean really, if mortgages have been payoff, assume that’s where this couple money has been going, there should be no mortgage at this age. And if they still have a mortgage then they can sell the house or downsize when they retire.
But why go by the average benefit. This couple doesn’t have average income or average retirement savings. Again, this is a hypothetical question. Today at full retirement, one get about $2500 or $2600 per month, which could translate to $29000 per year. The lower earning spouse can take SS base on the high earning spouse SS, so maybe half which is $14500 per year. So it’s about $43k-$44k. Add in the small pension and that makes it $56k roughly. So that’s about $5k a month. That should be plenty to live on. I’m in high cost area and I will live on less. This couple can withdraw the money from the 401k to pay for property tax.
That’s very rough estimate in this very early morning without coffee or tea yet. You can see it depends a lot on the specific and expense of each family, not on average.
For years, I’ve read the same thing from these financial advisors, their prime motive was to earn fees and mutual fund expenses. So the higher the retirement account, the more profitable for them.
Until I got to experience job loss for both my husband and I and was managing money on a lot less that’s how I know it can be done.

Re: “Today at full retirement, one get about $2500 or $2600 per month.”

I think this is the highest amount a person could get if (s)he has been working for 35 years, I think. But the key here is that you have to collect SS at the full retirement age, which is between 66 to 67, depending on when you were born. A lot of retirees could not afford to collect SS at the full retirement age.

I think this hypothetical example is likely an outlier. I also agree with DrGoogle that the financial advisor may have his motive.

I have lost the job only once in my life time. It was after 55 yo. (This is not bad for someone in my career path. Also, I have changed my job not many times in my work life - this could be the source of my problem in the end because I heard it is better for someone in my career path to change jobs once in a while to “relearn” the job skills that are in high demand - unless your projects in your company are always “high quality” ones.) So I started collecting my pension (without paying the penalty) then. This made my pension much smaller than it would be if I start to collect it at my full retirement age, but I also had a lingering concern that the company will still be there when/if I collect the pension at my full retirement age. Now I think I made a wrong move back then.

@DrGoogle, Is the 5K a month in your example after tax or before tax? Our family happen to discuss this recently and our conclusion is that we should be able to live within 5K a month.

After tax, but you pay practically nothing, I know some CCer will jump at me for that comment, but if your income after deduction, I forgot which line on the income tax, is less than $74k then you pay around $2k at most in income tax per year. Yes I play around with Turbotax to get an idea. I could miss something. But SS income is part of it.

Yes full retirement for that amount because your example states something to the fact that for this couple to retire at 65.

Regarding job, my husband made the same decision because he was worried his skills would be stale for staying in the same job.