"Revolutionary Road "

<p>Thanks for posting the link, Ep. It filled in some of the gaps that I felt existed in the movie, especially in terms of the characters’ thinking/motivations. I hadn’t intended to read the book, but now I’m going to do so. </p>

<p>Despite having questions about the main characters, I liked the movie and thought Leo did a wonderful job. It was interesting to see him and Kate Winslet playing together again–I thought they were great in Titanic and I think they’ve matured and become much more accomplished actors since that time.</p>

<p>I didn’t necessarily think the book was depressing. I just didn’t think it was well written at all, and the characters were so unsympathetic that as I read the book I kept thinking “I’m so glad I don’t know these people.”</p>

<p>American Beauty and Ice Storm were brilliant. RR was dreck.</p>

<p>Although I loved the book, I haven’t seen the movie. I’m wondering if any of you who have seen it, also watch the series, Mad Men? It is very much a ‘period piece’, taking place around 1960. I found it intriguing but very difficult to watch. The acting is excellent, as is the writing, but the portrayal of society is unpleasant. My mother, who was the same age, in 1960, as the main characters are in the series, tells me that it is painfully accurate.</p>

<p>I wonder if the haters like Far From Heaven?</p>

<p>“What is sad about a narcissist and her conventional husband?”</p>

<p>Due to the conventions of the society back then – which was more rigid than mores are today – they were trapped in roles that made them miserable. Having grown up myself in the 50s with parents who made each other miserable, I felt really sad for their barely seen kids.</p>

<p>He was not really miserable. He’s just like many of us today working in an office. It’s not nirvana but just try to take it away. The only time he showed real enthusiasm was with the new job in computers with more pay and prestige. We all dream about doing more interesting things but do what we do relatively happily and use the dream just to let off a little frustration.<br>
She was just a nutcase. She was trapped in her own ego and empty baseless dreams. Then she murders her baby as it might impinge on her dreams. The ultimate in narcism.</p>

<p>I grew up in the 50’s and both parents worked. It was not that rare after the kids were in school. Many of my friends parents worked.</p>

<p>I thought Kate Winslet’s character was selfish. She put her dream of re-inventing her life ahead of everyone else around her that she supposedly loved.</p>

<p>She was incapable of loving anyone but herself.</p>

<p>I grew up in the 50s. Very few middle class and upper class women worked until their kids were in high school. Even then, it still wasn’t that common for middle class and upper class women to work. Daycare was virtually nonexistent, too. The pill either hadn’t been invented or still was only used experimentally. </p>

<p>Kate Winslet’ character had young kids. Her family had one car, and she lived in the suburbs where there wouldn’t have been childcare and job opportunities for her. Those were the days in which married women who worked were seen as selfish women who were taking jobs away from men who were husbands and fathers. </p>

<p>I don’t think that most people now who work in offices are as miserable as was the husband in the movie. I also think that there is more range of activities that are socially permissible for men to do now. Back in the 50s, men were so forced into boxes by society that they only could wear white, blue or gray shirts. They were expected to be stoic and be good providers. Women were expected to devote their lives to their home and kids. Meanwhile, people built bomb shelters and in school, kids practiced what to do in case of nuclear attack. </p>

<p>I don’t understand why so many people have seemed to revere those days. The popularity of sitcoms like “Happy Days” was something I never understood. I remember the 50s as being very grim times, and I’m glad they’ve been long over.</p>

<p>I think you have a very stereotyped view of the 50’s. I grew up in suburban NJ not all the different from Conn. We probably had a broader range of incomes althougth in RR the poorer section was just blocks away.<br>
My friends mothers worked in factories, as clericals, and in stores and shops. There seemed to be plenty of jobs for those who wanted them. You did see the girls in the sec pool in the movie. The difference from today as that few had high level professional jobs. They just worked. Childcare certainly existed on a less formal basis. People lived closer to their parents and had the grandparents or used the local woman who took in a few kids. It was there but less formal. No laws and permits. </p>

<p>As to life in the 50’s, it seemed fine as a kid. Less planned activities and more free range development. I could go anywhere I could ride my bike so long as I was home for supper. In the summer this might mean 10 miles from home to explore other towns etc. I don’t think most peole took the nuclear practices anymore seriously than we take fire drills today. Very few people actually built shelters–it was a frindge thing even then. I knew nobody that actually had one.</p>

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<p>I’m not referring to the movie under discussion, but in my opinion, there is good reason, NSM, for some people’s fond memories of the 50’s.</p>

<p>I was born in 1952, and grew up in a working-class neighborhood within the city limits of a large midwestern city. My parents were done with school at the 8th grade, so you can imagine how well-off we were. Nonetheless, my siblings and I were able to roam the city streets and parks without worry, partaking of very low-cost entertainments in the safe city parks and pools, the neighborhood library that was open every evening, the many movie theaters that were very inexpensive and showed multiple movies for one entrance fee. All of that is gone, gone, for my old neighborhood. The parks are full of dealers, the pools and theaters long closed. The Catholic high schools no longer open their doors for indoor roller-skating in their gyms.</p>

<p>I’m not a particularly nostalgic person, but I think life was better for low-income urban kids when I was young.</p>

<p>RR is what would have happened had the Titanic not sunk that fateful night…</p>

<p>Sorry for all the typos–still can’t see too well. You get the points.</p>

<p>I grew up in a working-class, midwestern suburb in the 50s and 60s. The only mothers who worked were either divorced or widowed–these moms (except for one) weren’t professionals. Most of the fathers worked in the local manufacturing plant. I never had the impression that these folks were looking to find themselves. They didn’t have the time to do that. It’s not that they thought working in the factory was wonderful, but it paid the bills and kept food on the table and they got a vacation every year. Lots of these Dads had outside interests–sports, fishing, camping </p>

<p>Like others who posted, I remember being free to get on my bike and go to the local park, library, pool, or tennis court and hang-out with my friends. If we had money, sometimes we’d go to a movie or the local soft-serve ice cream stand. I didn’t think the 50s and 60s were dismal, but then I’m looking at it from a child’s perspective.</p>

<p>"I think you have a very stereotyped view of the 50’s. I grew up in suburban NJ not all the different from Conn. We probably had a broader range of incomes althougth in RR the poorer section was just blocks away. </p>

<p>As to life in the 50’s, it seemed fine as a kid. Less planned activities and more free range development. I could go anywhere I could ride my bike so long as I was home for supper. In the summer this might mean 10 miles from home to explore other towns etc. I don’t think most peole took the nuclear practices anymore seriously than we take fire drills today. Very few people actually built shelters–it was a frindge thing even then. I knew nobody that actually had one."</p>

<p>I grew up in the 1950s. I found the school bomb drills frightening. I remember that a book at home about how to handle health problems included not only care for the common cold but also descriptions what people should do and eat if there was a nuclear attack. I remember reading description of Hiroshima victims including children whose skin was burned off. As a child, I was an avid reader, reading anything I could get my hands on, and I also had a vivid imagination, so I was very aware of the horrors of the world.</p>

<p>I lived in a factory town where there also was a nuclear research facility, and I remember the nuns at my school telling us that due to the major industry in our city, we were a prime target for nuclear attack. Consequently, the --hide under your desks – bomb drills seemed very real to me. I remember the TV public service announcements showing an axe destroying a radio, an example of what would happen if the U.S.'s arch enemies, the Russians, managed to take over our country. The nuns vividly explained to my classmates and me how if the Russians took over, we’d be forced to become atheists and to turn in our parents for supporting democracy. </p>

<p>As a black person, I also was very aware of the civil rights struggle – which I saw on TV, since I lived in the North, and I felt that there were large parts of the U.S. that it wouldn’t be safe for me to travel to. I remember seeing pictures of 12-year-old Emmit Till in his casket with his head bashed in by racists. Heck, even in Upstate N.Y., my parents had to look far and wide to find a place that didn’t have restrictive covenants preventing us from buying in that area. </p>

<p>I also remember my mother’s being miserable, in large part because she and my father didn’t get along, but divorce was considered so shameful that she didn’t consider divorcing him. I also remember that my mom wanted to work, but my dad, a dentist, wouldn’t let her because, as he put it, “I’m a man.”</p>

<p>I can remember not being allowed to splash in a water fountain for fear that I’d get polio. I remember collecting dimes to help pay for iron lungs for polio victims. </p>

<p>Where I lived was on a busy street that didn’t have sidewalks, and the 6-year-old across the street from us was killed crossing the street, so I never was allowed to walk or bike around my neighborhood. I don’t have the fond memories of freely walking the streets as a child that many people my age have. I didn’t get to do that until I moved to big cities as an adult. </p>

<p>Interesting how different people’s perspectives of eras can can be even though they are about the same age and grew up in similar communities. The decade that I have the fondest memory of is the 70s. Ah, protest marches, freedom and liberation movements, reliable contraception. What a grand time to be young!</p>

<p>Back to RR. D loved both the movie and the book, I tried to read it and I hated it. It didn’t pass the “100 pages test”.</p>

<p>Haven’t read the book, but would like to see the movie --mostly because parts of it were filmed in the town we lived in until 3 years ago.</p>

<p>I enjoyed the book but haven’t seen the movie. Books I enjoy as books- I generally don’t enjoy as movies. Sophie’s Choice springs to mind.</p>

<p>I’m kind of tired of the “life in Suburbia is so dysfunctional” genre of flicks like American Beauty, etc. Like city life isn’t screwed up at times as well. I think the female lead in Revolutionary Road was mentally ill.</p>