<p>From Post 10 . I am not against immigrants, I am against the fact that they break the law to enter the country</p>
<p>Isnt interesting that Romney breaks the law when he hires illegal immigrants and people say things like (from post 5), there will be no traction to the Romney story.</p>
<p>tommy, I find it fascinating that you can be so offended by people “lieing” about Democratic candidates but then continue to throw mud and lies at Republican candidates. Clearly you know that Romney broke no laws in hiring a landscape contractor who may have employed illegal alliens, yet you continue with this type of attack. By doing so, you have escalated from mud throwing to lieing in my book. </p>
<p>If you somehow really think that Romney broke some law by using the services of someone who had hired an illegal immigrant, then that probably makes just about every one of us law breakers because I’m sure that every one of us has used the services of a business that employs illegal alliens.</p>
<p>It is my understanding that congress passed a law that holds people responsible if the employ illegal immigrants. If you can show me that I am wrong about this, or that the law does not apply in Mr. Romneys case, I will quickly apologize to you and others including Mr. Romney. </p>
<p>I cant think of a more fair way to handle this, however if you have some ideas I will be glad to entertain them. </p>
<p>Fair enough?</p>
<p>My understanding of the law that you are speaking of would hold the contractor personally responsible, not the homeowner. The contractor is employing the illegal alien. The homeowner is employing the contractor.
When the media comes out and shows that Romney directly paid the illegal than you will have a valid point until then it is not.</p>
<p>bulletandpima in Post 24 …Thank you for the information please continue to dig until we have all the information and have it right. I don’t want to say something about anyone that is not true, especially a Republican Candidate.</p>
<p>Actually I have no need to dig, as I have stated earlier this is a non-issue to me, he hired a contractor who hired an illegal. If you go back a few months ago, a large city employed a cleaning crew for their govt offices and the contractor was raided. If there were no cries from the public for spending tax dollars, why would I honestly care about an honest mistake. It was an employee of the landscaper, not his chief of staff!</p>
<p>At times common sense must prevail and digging is not necessary. In this case Romney did not “employ” the illegals. The contractor did. For a law to exist as you would imply it would mandate that when you take your car in for service that you check the status of every employee in the shop. Likewise, when you buy gasoline you would have to ask the attendant for his/her “papers”. Same thing when you eat at a restaurant and the bus boy comes over to fill your glass of water. I recently had my house re-roofed. Should I have asked to see the papers of all of the workers? Or only the hispanic ones? </p>
<p>Common sense should tell you that a law such as you are talking about would never apply to the consumer of the service - only the employer.</p>
<p>The employing of illegal immigrants is so widespread that no one can escape from the hipocracy of it all. Last night on Keith Olbermann’s show, he pointed out that Lou Dobbs’ daughter competes in show jumping. There would be very few stalls cleaned anywhere in this country if not for immigrant labor. I’m sure much of it is legal but much of it is not. They escort the expensive horses to the shows and are their grooms - often sleeping in the horse trailers with the horses. So, indirectly an activity that Lou Dobbs supports could literally not be done in the manner people have come to expect if not for immigrants, many of whom are illegal. Anyone who has had a house built, or renovations done, or landscaping done, or has smoked a cigarette or eaten fruit or vegetables, etc. etc. is indirectly supportin thousands and thousands of illegal immigrants. Romney is a hypocrit in many ways, but at least he has a lot of company on that one.</p>
<p>This is the crux of the problem — we all say change the law, but no one has an answer. Mexico will never support the US on this issue since 20% of their economy comes from money sent back to Mexico from illegals. They are making flyers explaining how to come across safely.</p>
<p>There is no possible way that millions of immigrants can be deported, it is illogical to think so. Then how do we settle the question of illegal immigrants?</p>
<p>Well for some of us, it isn’t high on the list of things to be solved.</p>
<p>I agree…post 26</p>
<p>Two questions:</p>
<p>1} Am I to understand you all think it is ok the hire illegal immigrants but not to be one?</p>
<p>2} Would it upset any of you all if Hillary and Bill Clinton hired a contractor to work on their lawn and that contractor used illegal immigrants to do the actual work?</p>
<p>From Post 22 … then that probably makes just about every one of us law breakers because I’m sure that every one of us has used the services of a business that employs illegal aliens</p>
<p>My yard work was done this summer by a kid that lives in the next block who used the some of the money he earned to buy a new baseball glove.</p>
<p>I dont know how anyone can listen to a CD of the Mormon Tabernacle Choir singing Christmas carols and still think that Mormons are not Christians.</p>
<p>No to both, caveat, if Bill and Hill were in the same situation as Mitt. If they personally employed an illegal that is a different story. Mitt never personally hired an illegal, his contractor did.</p>
<p>What I meant was, the illegal immigration issue is not my front burner issue in the race. Would I like to see it resolved? Of course! Are there more important issues to be resolved that affect my vote? Yes.</p>
<p>It doesn’t make us law breakers, but it should make us think. People who are adamantly against something usually try not to enable that activity. Since our economy has come to a point that it relies heavily on the hiring of immigrants, it is hard to have clean hands when it comes to illegal immigration. You can assume the grapes you put in your kid’s lunch box were never touched by anything but “legal hands” - or not. I assume the young man from Mexico who cleans my horse’s stall at the barn where I board her is legal. I have never asked for his credentials because, to be honest, I really don’t care. There is another lady who boards there who claims she would load them all up in a box car and escort them back across the border. She has never asked for his credentials either. Does that make her a hypocrit? She is not a bad person, so she might be inclined to say that she would load all of them up but him, because he is such a hard worker who is always kind and friendly and he is not only supporting his family back in Mexico but spends a lot of money at the local corner store. It just gets complicated.</p>
<p>"And how do we know that any of YOU are “legal”?</p>
<p>mini are you on a funny roll? In my case, I think I have a piece of paper that says so.</p>
<p>“2} Would it upset any of you all if Hillary and Bill Clinton hired a contractor to work on their lawn and that contractor used illegal immigrants to do the actual work?”</p>
<p>Republicans crucified a democratic candidate because her nanny was illegal. (I think it was Ferraro).</p>
<p>It wasn’t Ferraro, it was suppose to be the AG (can’t remember the name) and it was a maid prior to Reno. Also the difference is the maid was a direct hire, not a contractor.</p>
<p>I would also go after anyone who is suppose to be the top attorney in the US, if they were breaking the law.</p>
<p>So…
Does Senator McCain get any points for actually trying to address this issue?</p>
<p>He has taken a lot of heat about the immigration bill (which also addressed border security, BTW). Whether it is high on your priority list or not, something should be done to solve the problem - we need legislators & a POTUS who don’t put their heads in the sand b/c it’s a political “hot potato”. </p>
<p>McCain has courage! And he’s a “man of action” who will even work w/ Democrats when necessary. Let’s UNITE for a candidate we can trust to actually accomplish a few things!</p>