<p>My point, middle of page 6 the paragraph that states </p>
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<p>The researchers found higher levels of inorganic mercury in the brains and kidneys of the thimerosal treated animals than in the methylmercury-fed animals
My point:</p>
<p>The researchers found higher levels of inorganic mercury in the brains and kidneys of the thimerosal treated animals than in the methylmercury-fed animals</p>
<p>Most children developed intussusception within seven days of receiving the first dose; many developed intussusception at 2 to 3 months of age, a time when natural intussusception is rare</p>
<p>This is the data on the “new” improved seems eerily similar</p>
<p>Because vaccine adverse events are not always reported to FDA, there may be additional cases of intussusception following vaccination of which we are unaware of at this time. This information is important in helping FDA and CDC assess whether RotaTeq may be associated with an increased risk of intussusception and, if so, to what degree. Therefore, we are encouraging all health care professionals, and any other individuals, to report any cases of intussusception or other serious events that may be associated with the use of RotaTeq to VAERS, which is maintained by FDA and CDC. For a copy of the vaccine reporting form, call 1-800-822-7967</p>
<p>Apparently your reading comprehension is lacking - that section was talking about the previous vaccine, RotaShield, which I’ve already pointed out to you was not developed by Offit. Understand?</p>
<p>Read the bottom of the article as to why Offit’s picture is included: because he developed the improved rotavirus vaccine, which, by the way (if you had actually read carefully) shows no increase in intussusception between vaccinated and placebo groups in studies.</p>
<p>As for the 2007 page, given that somewhere in the millions of rotavirus vaccinations have presumably been administered, 28 cases of intussusception could easily be coincidence, reported as vaccine-related only because of awareness of the previous vaccine’s problems. I’m inclined to think this is the case, especially since the controlled study found no increased incidence at all. That said, if the intussusception issue continues to be an issue I’m sure further investigation will be done.</p>
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<p>The graviola herb point is interesting, but not particularly enlightening. Nothing found, results shelved because no one wanted to do the extra work to publish a study saying “we have no idea”. Mind linking to the documentation of that issue, though?</p>
<p>As for your child, ‘healthier’? Than who? And yes, I still think you have no right to risk population immunity based on junk science. It’s not just an issue of your child, which you continue to ignore.</p>
<p>Samiamy, I can’t thank you enough for the links you have provided. </p>
<p>I know I said I was done posting on this thread, but as long as folks are still discussing this, I wanted to just express my thanks to Samiamy. The UPI series on The Age of Autism is remarkable. Absolutely remarkable. And it’s the only place I’ve seen reference to Dawson disease being similar, neurologically, to autism. Wouldn’t it be ironic if we vaccinated a whole generation of kids to prevent something that we wind up causing (and at a higher rate of incidence)?</p>
<p>Sam, I wish you and your family the very best and please know how helpful you have been for others, too.</p>
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“Apparently your reading comprehension is lacking” (Please treat me with the same respect I am giving you)</p>
<p>No, it is not, I know Offits role in the devolopment of the second one. My dad is a pediatrician, he said bowel strangulation is not something that is common.He wont give it. My aunt works in an OB/GYN office NP, they wont give the HPV vaccine anymore due to many girls/young women having immediate side effects. Again correlation does not mean causation, BUT my purpose is to get people thinking and questioning overvaccination too many too close in young babies, people that may have CVID and not know it. What is so darn controversial about caution? I saw what happened to my brother, I was fully vaccinated, so were my siblings. 3girls no problems 1 boy serious problems. </p>
<p>“Wouldn’t it be ironic if we vaccinated a whole generation of kids to prevent something that we wind up causing (and at a higher rate of incidence)?”</p>
<p>This reminds me of an experience I had in medical school. In the early 80’s we were giving kids factor viii for hemophilia. A few years later we were treating the same kids for aids. I don’t know if parents would have chosen differently if they had known, as that was a life saving treatment.</p>
<p>Well, while the statement is normally used as an insult in that case I was using it factually, since that section was talking about the previous rotavirus vaccine, while you appeared to think it was talking about the current one.</p>
<p>What is controversial about caution is that this isn’t something where one can exercise caution and have no negative results. If one is “cautious” and doesn’t get vaccinated, one could easily contract a serious, preventable disease, or whatever. Furthermore, the “caution” exercised by many informed, educated people who think they have good reasons for exercising it often translates into hysteria on the part of un-educated people who end up refusing vaccinations due to their histrionics, with unfortunate results. Thus, for example, the deaths from EDTA chelation therapy - a product of hysteria regarding mercury and autism, leading to a treatment not at all confirmed to be efficacious or even safe.</p>
<p>Definitely not at a higher rate, but look at the surprises that were not pleasant when pregnant women took thalidomide, or diethylstilbestrol (DES). Did doctors know the great side effects of these drugs?</p>
<p>Re: graviola: It was fine to shelve the study. No problem with that. But the data should not have been suppressed. A lot of people might have chosen to incorporate graviola into their protocol. They were not given that choice because the preliminary results were not released to the public. It was basically covered up. I’ll see if I can find the documentation. No promises since it was a few years ago that I heard about it. But I’ll see what I can find.</p>
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<p>And I think you have no right to try to lay the burden of society’s ills on me and other parents like me. </p>
<p>It is obvious that the effectiveness of vaccines is questionable. (If it were not questionable, you would not be concerned as long as your child is vaccinated.)</p>
<p>So, if you must blame someone, blame the medical establishment who has not yet perfected their vaccines.</p>
<p>I refuse to sacrifice my child for YOUR beliefs. YOU belief in vaccines; I don’t.</p>
<p>And, for the record, yes he’s healthier. Never had an ear infection in his life. Never had to go to the doc (other than checkups). NOT ONCE in his entire 19 years!</p>
<p>Raised on organic food, never had a bite of meat in his life, breastfed til age 3.5. Only organic, healthy snacks, instead of sugary junk. He did get chickenpox but it was a very mild case. Other than that, some very mild colds, usually over in 2-3 days. That’s it!</p>
<p>So yes, I can quite conclusively say that he’s healthier than average. How many of you can say the same?</p>
<p>My first responsibility is to my child. I challenge you, 1of42. to ask yourself this question: If you believed strongly that something was potentially very, VERY harmful to your child, would you do it? Would you sacrifice YOUR child for a very questionable ‘greater good?’</p>
<p>But perhaps your child is healthy, because the rest of us take the burden of vaccination (which is for the good of public health) very seriously.</p>
<p>Were everyone to take your action, Leal, we’d have millions of dead kids again.</p>
<p>It’s pretty clear that you can have your attitude, because the rest of us help keep your son safe.</p>
<p>“Illegal aliens” will still need to have their kids vaccinated to attend school, so unless they choose not to for religious or moral or whatever reasons, I don’t think this is much of a cause for concern.</p>
<p>His not getting colds and ear infections can’t be because your kids were vaccinated. She’s not saying he’s healthy because he hasn’t had pertussis or polio. She’s talking about overall immune system strength.</p>
<p>Yes, I know. I was talking about catastrophic illnesses.</p>
<p>My kids don’t eat meat, have an organic diet as well and are extremely healthy (knock wood). They have had their vaccines though, because I am not taking the risk of catastrophic illnesses.</p>
<p>Clearly, this is not a black and white issue - MMR vs no vaccination. As others have pointed out, the triple dose vaccination (vs separate single dose vaccinations) may be administered more out of convenience than anything else. Perhaps our efforts should be centered on developing a more “User Friendly Vaccination Schedule” that is better suited to the normal growth of infants, as suggested in this link?</p>
<p>Is our current vaccination schedule truly justified? What evidence is there of what the higher risks would be, if any, if vaccinations were spread out more?</p>
<p>you will learn that the drug companies are providing vaccines now that have chickenpox mixed in (at 10 times the normal dose to combat some antagonistic effect from the measles portion) with the MMR shot. </p>
<p>That’s a lot of LIVE virus for a one year old.</p>
<p>firsttimemom: A lot of LIVE virus for a one year old? I see. Based on your expert knowledge of how well one year olds tolerate different amounts of live virus? Or were you just making another baseless claim?</p>
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<p>Uhhh… yeah. You fed him an excellent diet, lived, I assume, in good living conditions, and so forth, and you’re implying that his health has anything to do with his vaccination status?</p>
<p>If I were inclined to theorize why un-vaccinated kids are healthier (assuming that they are, of course), this is exactly what I’d point out - parents who refuse vaccination are more likely to be more involved in trying to live a healthy life, including vegetarianism, balanced, healthy diet, etc. It’s not like the populations of vaccinated and un-vaccinated kids are the same other than their vaccination status.</p>
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<p>Agreed, absolutely.</p>
<p>Since the anti-vaccination crowd is so fond of posing challenges, I’ve one of my own: go to a country where preventable diseases that vaccination has eradicated in the US are running rampant, without getting vaccinated, and then tell me how your calculus of risks is playing out.</p>
<p>“Illegal aliens” will still need to have their kids vaccinated to attend school, so unless they choose not to for religious or moral or whatever reasons, I don’t think this is much of a cause for concern."</p>
<p>It actually is an issue with regard to the young men above school age who are here unvaccinated. Where I volunteer, the most common issue is tuberculosis, but there are other illnesses as well, but much less common.</p>
<p>Of course, zoosermom, thanks. People carry disease at all ages. If your unvaccinated kid sits on a bus, in an airport, ER, public library, etc. with someone who is sick, there you go. They don’t have to be in school to be exposed to a disease.</p>
<p>“Of course, zoosermom, thanks. People carry disease at all ages. If your unvaccinated kid sits on a bus, in an airport, ER, public library, etc. with someone who is sick, there you go. They don’t have to be in school to be exposed to a disease.”</p>
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<li><p>When I said ‘healthy’ I gave examples of not ever having had an ear infection, etc. I said nothing about ‘never got polio or pertussis.’ The fact that he’s never had an ear infection has nothing to do with other people getting vaccinated.</p></li>
<li><p>Do not tell me I don’t take the issue of vaccination seriously. I have probably researched this issue more than all of you put together. As for ‘burden’ are you so sure that YOUR reason FOR vaccinating was any different than MY reason for NOT vaccinating? I ask you to dig deep. Be honest with yourself. Can you say with complete honesty that you vaccinated your child to keep the rest of the population disease free? Or was it primarily to protect YOUR child? If it was to protect YOUR child, then you had the same reasons for vaccinating as I did for NOT vaccinating! You just made a different choice. It’s easy for you to say you vaccinated your child to keep the general population safe, when you think vaccines are safe. But if you believed, as I do, that vaccines are not safe, would you still sacrifice your child? I think not. So please drop the ‘holier-than-thou’ attitude.</p></li>
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<p>You are wrong. You are quick to blame me and other non-vaccinating parents and impose the responsibility of your children’s health on us. However, I do not rely on others to keep my child safe. I take responbility for his safety. Your comment was uncalled for.</p>
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<p>I just now read your response, after posting my own. Exactly. Thank you!</p>
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<p>Of course one can do both! And many do! I do not criticize your choice. You have no right to criticize mine.</p>
<p>You say your kids are vegetarians. I think that’s wonderful! Did you know that some misinformed people might think you were depriving them by not giving them flesh foods? Well, how would you feel if they tried to make it illegal for you to raise your kids vegetarian? You wouldn’t like that, would you?</p>